The CORAL CUP Handicap Hurdle

[Buckingham]

Not got the facts to hand but it's definitely good.

WIlliam Henry springs to mind.


Essentially, if a horse is well fancied enough to go off FAV for a Cheltenham Handicap (or any race really), then if they're a big price the next year... you have to factor in what made them so well fancied, and if everything clicked are they now over priced at current odds.

I also recall similar with Sam Spinner who placed the year after he flopped as fav in the Stayers.

It's an angle I really like as a starting point.

Think Next Sensation, Rock The World and Le Prezien have all done it recently in the Grand Annual

[Nathaniel99999]

So since Queens brook ain't turning up, I've now decided to do Finest evermore and Ch'tibello. I am shocked it has not been spoken about much. Its 4lbs below when it won the county hurdle. And I think Skelton has made people concentrate on the likes of Unexpected party and people have seem to of forgotten Ch'tibello. Its been stepped up to 2m 4f recently and I do think its going for this race. 20/1 in some places and 25/1 still on Williamhill. I've also doubled it with "Spiritofthegames" who I'm hoping and praying does go to the Ultima.

[Kevloaf]

So since Queens brook ain't turning up, I've now decided to do Finest evermore and Ch'tibello. I am shocked it has not been spoken about much. Its 4lbs below when it won the county hurdle. And I think Skelton has made people concentrate on the likes of Unexpected party and people have seem to of forgotten Ch'tibello. Its been stepped up to 2m 4f recently and I do think its going for this race. 20/1 in some places and 25/1 still on Williamhill. I've also doubled it with "Spiritofthegames" who I'm hoping and praying does go to the Ultima.

Not sure anyone has forgotten Ch'tibello, it's just that he's 11 now and there will almost certainly be something younger and improving... and he can't be relied upon to have anything at all in hand on his mark?

[Nathaniel99999]

Not sure anyone has forgotten Ch'tibello, it's just that he's 11 now and there will almost certainly be something younger and improving... and he can't be relied upon to have anything at all in hand on his mark?

I think the horse still has one more good run in him, if you look back on its previous run before it fell the horse was running on, I think 2m is too sharp nowadays, but seems now the horse wants further as its now gotten older. Also I mentioned earlier in the thread it was behind Glory and Fortune coming 5th giving 6lbs to the horse whos come out and won too and that horse came 4th. Plus Ch'tibello was being backed until it fell previously so clearly the horse is ready and wants this distance. I think people underestimate the horse.

[Stormez]

Think Next Sensation, Rock The World and Le Prezien have all done it recently in the Grand Annual

Early Doors in the County also

[KevMc]

Early Doors in the County also

Martin Pipe

Embittered is an interesting one for this angle in the Grand Annual this year.

[Stormez]

Martin Pipe

Embittered is an interesting one for this angle in the Grand Annual this year.

Sorry, it was late

Right day at least!

[TiggerRoll]

I think the horse still has one more good run in him, if you look back on its previous run before it fell the horse was running on, I think 2m is too sharp nowadays, but seems now the horse wants further as its now gotten older. Also I mentioned earlier in the thread it was behind Glory and Fortune coming 5th giving 6lbs to the horse whos come out and won too and that horse came 4th. Plus Ch'tibello was being backed until it fell previously so clearly the horse is ready and wants this distance. I think people underestimate the horse.

Owners twitter says Pertemps is the plan if qualified this weekend. Glory And Fortune was a blatant non stayer when they met so I’m not sure I’d take the form literally

[Cunningham]

Not got the facts to hand but it's definitely good.

WIlliam Henry springs to mind.


Essentially, if a horse is well fancied enough to go off FAV for a Cheltenham Handicap (or any race really), then if they're a big price the next year... you have to factor in what made them so well fancied, and if everything clicked are they now over priced at current odds.

I also recall similar with Sam Spinner who placed the year after he flopped as fav in the Stayers.

It's an angle I really like as a starting point.

I like this angle a lot. I will forever be haunted by ballynagour coming back and winning the plate the following season.

[jack1092]

This is a windy shout with a coffee in my hand, but i'm tempted to take a NRNB on Blue Sari.

Was going well last year in it, presume his mark would be similar if not the same.

Been chasing, entered again this weekend- wpm has 2 entered. Starting to get late in the day to shed his maiden chase tag.....Could just rock up here.

[Studfarm254]

Just gona do what i do best and throw another world class tip into the mix. Langer Dan is set to run at least once and probably twice before Cheltenham. He’s only got 5lbs to work with for getting into the Martin pipe and if he’s half as good as what he’s supposed to be his mark will be too high come Cheltenham for this race. So surely he’s worth covering NRNB for the coral cup. Hills are 17.5/1 with the boost as apposed to 7/1 with bet365.

Feel free to thank me later guys. Hugs, handshakes and fist pumps will all suffice

[Benjy23]

Just gona do what i do best and throw another world class tip into the mix. Langer Dan is set to run at least once and probably twice before Cheltenham. He’s only got 5lbs to work with for getting into the Martin pipe and if he’s half as good as what he’s supposed to be his mark will be too high come Cheltenham for this race. So surely he’s worth covering NRNB for the coral cup. Hills are 17.5/1 with the boost as apposed to 7/1 with bet365.

Feel free to thank me later guys. Hugs, handshakes and fist pumps will all suffice

He'll be a non trier first time won't he. Won't even want to get any additional weight for the Imperial Cup. And then the Imperial Cup will be after weights are out so he'll just get 5lb penalty if he did win anyway...

But yea NRNB can't knock the idea.

[Quevega]

Just gona do what i do best and throw another world class tip into the mix. Langer Dan is set to run at least once and probably twice before Cheltenham. He’s only got 5lbs to work with for getting into the Martin pipe and if he’s half as good as what he’s supposed to be his mark will be too high come Cheltenham for this race. So surely he’s worth covering NRNB for the coral cup. Hills are 17.5/1 with the boost as apposed to 7/1 with bet365.

Feel free to thank me later guys. Hugs, handshakes and fist pumps will all suffice

Bit late, but it's another good NRNB option IMO

[Istabraq]

He'll be a non trier first time won't he. Won't even want to get any additional weight for the Imperial Cup. And then the Imperial Cup will be after weights are out so he'll just get 5lb penalty if he did win anyway...

But yea NRNB can't knock the idea.

I think this is correct.
In fact, a poodle round out the back beaten 15l and the handicapper may even consider shaving a pound or two off,then he’ll take another look at the 2021 M Pipe form and have a re-think…

PS - I’d say it’s near certain he goes M Pipe…

[Quevega]

I think this is correct.
In fact, a poodle round out the back beaten 15l and the handicapper may even consider shaving a pound or two off,then he’ll take another look at the 2021 M Pipe form and have a re-think…

PS - I’d say it’s near certain he goes M Pipe…

What kind of race do you think this horse could poodle round in ?
I don't think this is possible, and the handicapper and stewards know this.
Skelton will be aiming to win IMO.
But not by much. If he does have a prep at all.

In fact the whole idea of a prep run then imperial cup then cheltenham is fanciful for a horse who's had a year off.
So it's more likely the Imperial cup is the first run, then hope to win that and run in the pipe or coral off a 5lb penalty. And risk the bounce factor.
It's a safer option than risking a bigger, or any rise in a prep, and trying to get three runs in.

If he has a prep then I can't see them running in both big handicaps.