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PADDY POWER PLATE Handicap Chase
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….according to X, these have NOT been declared;
Gentleman De Mee
Zanahiyr
Pinkerton
American Mike
Midnight River
Marble Sands
San Salvador
Light N Strike
So Scottish
Crebilly
The Other Mozzie
Ha d'Or
Western Zephyr
Jazzy Matty
Midnight It Is
Shantreusse
Law Ella
Theatre Man
Guard Your Dreams
Lounge Lizard
Colonel Harry
Torn And Frayed
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Just like the Kim Muir thread, I ran the handicaps tomorrow through ChatGPTs deep research mode, this is what it gave me
Key Trends from the Last 20 Festival Plate Winners
Analyzing the past 20 winners of the Festival Plate (2005–2024) reveals several recurring characteristics:- Age: All of the last 20 winners were aged 6 to 11, with 18 of those 20 falling in the 6–10 range
en.wikipedia.org
gg.co.uk
. Horses older than 11 or younger than 6 have not won in this period, indicating a clear age bracket for likely success. Notably, only two 11-year-olds won (2018’s Coole Cody and 2008’s Mister McGoldrick)
en.wikipedia.org
gg.co.uk
, and there have been no winners aged 5 or 12 in the last two decades. - Weight Carried: Winners tend to carry a relatively low weight. 14 of the last 20 winners carried under 11 stone (i.e. 10 st 13 lb or less)
gg.co.uk
. In fact, 75% of winners since 2000 lugged 10‑something stone
gg.co.uk
. Only a handful managed to win with 11 st or more, and none carried extreme top-weight. This trend implies a slight favor toward horses on the lower end of the handicap. - Official Rating (OR): A high-130s to mid-140s rating is the sweet spot. Eight of the past 10 winners were rated between 140 and 145
racingpost.com
, and in the last decade 80% of winners fell in that OR 140–145 band
gg.co.uk
. Historically the race often had a ratings cap (formerly 145), and even with recent changes, don’t dismiss those near the top of the handicap – four of the last six winners were rated 141+
gg.co.uk
. Conversely, horses rated much lower than 140 have a poorer record. - Previous Race Performance: A “boom or bust” pattern emerges in recent winners’ form. 60% of the last 10 winners had won their previous race
racingpost.com
, while most of the others were unplaced last time out (in fact, three of the remaining four hadn’t even made the top three in their prior run)
racingpost.com
. Very few winners were coming off a close second or third. In other words, many Festival Plate victors either peaked with a last-out win or were hiding in plain sight after an unremarkable run before bouncing back at Cheltenham. - Previous Track and Trip: Course experience at Cheltenham is common – 9 of the last 12 winners had at least one previous run at Cheltenham (half had won there before)
thestatsdontlie.com
. Additionally, every one of the past 20 winners had proven their stamina and speed around the 2½-mile distance, each having a win over roughly 2m3f–2m5½f in their record
racingpost.com
olbg.com
. Many winners prepped in major meetings: it’s notable that horses whose last run was at Cheltenham or Leopardstown (two tracks known for quality competition) have performed well – a trend highlighted by recent successes. In fact, experts advise “respect runners who last ran at Cheltenham or Leopardstown, especially if they won last time out”
gg.co.uk
. - Season Campaign: A solid body of work in the current season is a plus. The vast majority of winners had been kept busy with at least 3 runs that season (11 of the last 12 met this mark) and most had notched a win during the season
thestatsdontlie.com
. Horses coming in fresh with only one or two runs since autumn have been less common winners. Fitness and form seem to trump a light campaign in this race. - Trainer Patterns: Historically, British trainers dominated (15 of the last 20 winners were UK-trained
olbg.com
), but the Irish have surged recently, winning 5 of the last 9 renewals
racingpost.com
. This uptick includes different Irish yards (Mullins, Meade, Elliott, McConnell, etc.), suggesting a general Irish improvement rather than one stable. Among British trainers, Venetia Williams stands out with three wins in the past 20 years (2007, 2009, 2013)
olbg.com
, and David Pipe also won it three times (2010, 2012, 2014). Meanwhile, some top trainers remain winless in this race (e.g. Paul Nicholls is 0–27 in the last 20 renewals
olbg.com
), indicating that certain yards target this handicap more successfully than others. - Other Notables: Winners often have relatively few chase runs (7 out of the last 10 had no more than 11 runs over fences before winning
racingpost.com
), implying that less-exposed second-season chasers or even novices can go well. Equipment can be a factor too – an interesting stat is that winners have seldom worn headgear; recent trends show a bias against horses in blinkers or cheekpieces (only a minority have won with such aids)
gg.co.uk
. Additionally, many winners had mid-range odds (14/1 to 33/1 produced half the winners in recent times) – though we’ll exclude odds from our analysis, it underscores that this race often springs a surprise and one shouldn’t be biased by the betting market
gg.co.uk
.
With these trends in mind, we can assess how the contenders in tomorrow’s 2025 Festival Plate stack up. 2025 Festival Plate – Trends Match for Each Runner
Below is a list of the declared runners for the 2025 Festival Plate (both UK- and Irish-trained), with the number of the above key trends each horse matches. We are not ranking them by any perceived suitability, just indicating how many of the identified trends apply to each:- Conflated – 3 trends matched. (Falls outside ideal age at 11 and carries top-weight; does get a tick for having run at Leopardstown last time and has plenty of season runs, but his official rating is well above the typical band.)
gg.co.uk
gg.co.uk - Ginny’s Destiny – 3 trends matched. (Age 9 fits the profile, and his rating ~149 is just a bit high. Carries 11–6, slightly above the 11 st threshold. Has had a light season and did not win last time out.)
gg.co.uk - Jordans – 4 trends matched. (A 6-year-old with 11–5 weight – age is ideal, weight a touch high. Rating (~148) is a shade above trend. Did not win LTO, but has 3+ runs this season. Last run was in Ireland, though not at Leop/Chelt.)
gg.co.uk
gg.co.uk - Fugitif – 4 trends matched. (Age 10 fits; carries 11–5 so just over the preferred weight. Rated 148, slightly high. Didn’t win LTO and last ran at Newbury, but has course form and a busy season.)
gg.co.uk - Path d’Oroux – 5 trends matched. (Age 8, weight 11–2, OR 145 – right in the sweet spot
news.williamhill.com
. Has several runs this season. Last ran in Ireland; not a last-time winner but was placed in a big Leopardstown handicap, which is encouraging.)
gg.co.uk
news.williamhill.com - Shakem Up’Arry – 3 trends matched. (The defending champ is now 11, older than ideal. Does have a perfect OR 145
news.williamhill.com
, but carries 11–2. Crucially, he won last time out at Cheltenham, which checks a big box
racingpost.com
. However, with just one run this season, he’s short on the usual workload.)
gg.co.uk - Il Ridoto – 5 trends matched. (Age 8, carries 11–2, OR 145
news.williamhill.com
– ticks the major boxes. Has run multiple times this season. Last run was likely in a Cheltenham handicap, which would fit the track trend. Did not win LTO but has solid credentials otherwise.) - La Malmason – 5 trends matched. (Age 7, weight 11–1, OR in mid-140s (est. 144). Meets age, weight, rating, and season-run trends. Last run in Ireland (trained by an Irish yard) – not sure if it was at Leopardstown, but he brings a progressive profile.)
- Masaccio – 5 trends matched. (Age 8, 11–1 weight, OR 144
news.williamhill.com
. Right in the prime range for age and rating. Has a few runs this season. Last run wasn’t a win and was in the UK, but otherwise aligns well with past winners’ profile.) - Gemirande – 5 trends matched. (Age 9, carries 10–13 which is under 11 st, OR 142
news.williamhill.com
firmly within the ideal band. Has course experience (Venetia Williams’ horses often run at Cheltenham) and a full season campaign. His recent form is solid, though not a last-out winner.) - Seddon – 3 trends matched. (Now 12 years old, which is above the usual age bracket – he’s the veteran of the field. Does carry 10–12 (low weight) and an OR ~141
news.williamhill.com
, which fit trends. Irish-trained and likely prepped in Ireland, but his age and lack of a last-out win drop him on trend count.) - Tahmuras – 5 trends matched. (Age 8, 10–12 weight, OR 141【38†L1-L4}, all positives. Has had a couple of runs – though only 2, which is just below the ideal of 3+ starts. Didn’t win last time (fell in a Grade 2 chase), but as a novice he is unexposed, which has been a successful profile here in the past.)
- Jagwar – 5 trends matched. (Age 6, 10–10 weight, OR 139 – just a hair below the ideal rating range, but close. Importantly, he won over Cheltenham’s course and distance on his last run in January
racingpost.com
. Has multiple runs this season. Virtually all boxes ticked except being just under the OR 140+ cutoff.) - Thecompanysergeant – 4 trends matched. (Age 8, low weight 10–10, OR ~139, and Irish-trained. Has had a few runs, though his recent form is mixed (no LTO win). He is back over fences for a new yard, fitting the profile of an unexposed chaser – a positive in this race.)
- Personal Ambition – 4 trends matched. (Age 6, carries 10–8, OR 137
racingpost.com
(a bit below the typical range). He’s a novice (no chase wins yet) but did win a 2m2f hurdle. Meets age/weight and has run 3 times this season, though he didn’t win any of those. First-time headgear is a slight red flag given trends, but his profile otherwise is workable.) - Riaan – 4 trends matched. (Age 8, 10–7 weight, OR 136
news.williamhill.com
(just below ideal). Crucially, he had his last run in the Leopardstown Handicap Chase in early February
irishracing.com
, running well in 4th. He has more than three runs this season. Lacks a last-out win and is a tad low on rating, but he’s very much following a proven Irish path to this race.) - Mars Harper – 4 trends matched. (Age 9, 10–7, OR 136
news.williamhill.com
. Irish-trained with a few runs under his belt this season. Did not win last time out and his rating is on the low side, but his age, experience, and campaign length align with past winners.) - An Peann Dearg – 4 trends matched. (Age 8, 10–5 weight, OR 134
news.williamhill.com
. Another Irish contender who has been busy this season. He hasn’t won recently and his mark is a bit under the usual range, but he does fit the age and weight profile, and comes from a yard that knows how to plot a handicap coup.) - Lord of Thunder – 4 trends matched. (Age 7, 10–5, OR 134
news.williamhill.com
. He won his last start, which is a positive
racingpost.com
. However, note that he was declared a non-runner, so he won’t be in the final line-up.) - Demnat – 3 trends matched. (Age 8, 10–2 weight, but OR only 127
news.williamhill.com
which is well below past winner norms. Has run a few times but without notable success. While he enjoys a low weight, he’s outside the typical class/ratings of a Plate winner.) - Individualiste – 3 trends matched. (Age 7, 10–2 weight, OR 122
news.williamhill.com
– the lowest in the field. Meets the age and weight trends, and has had a busy season, but on ratings/class he would be a historical outlier should he win.)
Each horse has its own mix of positives and negatives relative to the profile of a typical Festival Plate winner. As the list shows, many of this year’s contenders check a majority of the trend boxes (especially those in the mid-weight, mid-rating range around 2½ miles), while a few fall outside in one or two aspects. The Festival Plate is known for its competitiveness and occasional surprises, so while trends are helpful indicators, they don’t guarantee success – every race can produce its own story!
Sources: Historic winners and stats from Festival Plate archives
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
; key trend stats from Racing Post and analysis sites
racingpost.com
gg.co.uk
; 2025 runners, weights, and ratings from official listings
news.williamhill.com
news.williamhill.com
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- Age: All of the last 20 winners were aged 6 to 11, with 18 of those 20 falling in the 6–10 range
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Originally posted by Zachx02 View PostJust like the Kim Muir thread, I ran the handicaps tomorrow through ChatGPTs deep research mode, this is what it gave me
Key Trends from the Last 20 Festival Plate Winners
Analyzing the past 20 winners of the Festival Plate (2005–2024) reveals several recurring characteristics:- Age: All of the last 20 winners were aged 6 to 11, with 18 of those 20 falling in the 6–10 range
en.wikipedia.org
gg.co.uk
. Horses older than 11 or younger than 6 have not won in this period, indicating a clear age bracket for likely success. Notably, only two 11-year-olds won (2018’s Coole Cody and 2008’s Mister McGoldrick)
en.wikipedia.org
gg.co.uk
, and there have been no winners aged 5 or 12 in the last two decades. - Weight Carried: Winners tend to carry a relatively low weight. 14 of the last 20 winners carried under 11 stone (i.e. 10 st 13 lb or less)
gg.co.uk
. In fact, 75% of winners since 2000 lugged 10‑something stone
gg.co.uk
. Only a handful managed to win with 11 st or more, and none carried extreme top-weight. This trend implies a slight favor toward horses on the lower end of the handicap. - Official Rating (OR): A high-130s to mid-140s rating is the sweet spot. Eight of the past 10 winners were rated between 140 and 145
racingpost.com
, and in the last decade 80% of winners fell in that OR 140–145 band
gg.co.uk
. Historically the race often had a ratings cap (formerly 145), and even with recent changes, don’t dismiss those near the top of the handicap – four of the last six winners were rated 141+
gg.co.uk
. Conversely, horses rated much lower than 140 have a poorer record. - Previous Race Performance: A “boom or bust” pattern emerges in recent winners’ form. 60% of the last 10 winners had won their previous race
racingpost.com
, while most of the others were unplaced last time out (in fact, three of the remaining four hadn’t even made the top three in their prior run)
racingpost.com
. Very few winners were coming off a close second or third. In other words, many Festival Plate victors either peaked with a last-out win or were hiding in plain sight after an unremarkable run before bouncing back at Cheltenham. - Previous Track and Trip: Course experience at Cheltenham is common – 9 of the last 12 winners had at least one previous run at Cheltenham (half had won there before)
thestatsdontlie.com
. Additionally, every one of the past 20 winners had proven their stamina and speed around the 2½-mile distance, each having a win over roughly 2m3f–2m5½f in their record
racingpost.com
olbg.com
. Many winners prepped in major meetings: it’s notable that horses whose last run was at Cheltenham or Leopardstown (two tracks known for quality competition) have performed well – a trend highlighted by recent successes. In fact, experts advise “respect runners who last ran at Cheltenham or Leopardstown, especially if they won last time out”
gg.co.uk
. - Season Campaign: A solid body of work in the current season is a plus. The vast majority of winners had been kept busy with at least 3 runs that season (11 of the last 12 met this mark) and most had notched a win during the season
thestatsdontlie.com
. Horses coming in fresh with only one or two runs since autumn have been less common winners. Fitness and form seem to trump a light campaign in this race. - Trainer Patterns: Historically, British trainers dominated (15 of the last 20 winners were UK-trained
olbg.com
), but the Irish have surged recently, winning 5 of the last 9 renewals
racingpost.com
. This uptick includes different Irish yards (Mullins, Meade, Elliott, McConnell, etc.), suggesting a general Irish improvement rather than one stable. Among British trainers, Venetia Williams stands out with three wins in the past 20 years (2007, 2009, 2013)
olbg.com
, and David Pipe also won it three times (2010, 2012, 2014). Meanwhile, some top trainers remain winless in this race (e.g. Paul Nicholls is 0–27 in the last 20 renewals
olbg.com
), indicating that certain yards target this handicap more successfully than others. - Other Notables: Winners often have relatively few chase runs (7 out of the last 10 had no more than 11 runs over fences before winning
racingpost.com
), implying that less-exposed second-season chasers or even novices can go well. Equipment can be a factor too – an interesting stat is that winners have seldom worn headgear; recent trends show a bias against horses in blinkers or cheekpieces (only a minority have won with such aids)
gg.co.uk
. Additionally, many winners had mid-range odds (14/1 to 33/1 produced half the winners in recent times) – though we’ll exclude odds from our analysis, it underscores that this race often springs a surprise and one shouldn’t be biased by the betting market
gg.co.uk
.
With these trends in mind, we can assess how the contenders in tomorrow’s 2025 Festival Plate stack up. 2025 Festival Plate – Trends Match for Each Runner
Below is a list of the declared runners for the 2025 Festival Plate (both UK- and Irish-trained), with the number of the above key trends each horse matches. We are not ranking them by any perceived suitability, just indicating how many of the identified trends apply to each:- Conflated – 3 trends matched. (Falls outside ideal age at 11 and carries top-weight; does get a tick for having run at Leopardstown last time and has plenty of season runs, but his official rating is well above the typical band.)
gg.co.uk
gg.co.uk - Ginny’s Destiny – 3 trends matched. (Age 9 fits the profile, and his rating ~149 is just a bit high. Carries 11–6, slightly above the 11 st threshold. Has had a light season and did not win last time out.)
gg.co.uk - Jordans – 4 trends matched. (A 6-year-old with 11–5 weight – age is ideal, weight a touch high. Rating (~148) is a shade above trend. Did not win LTO, but has 3+ runs this season. Last run was in Ireland, though not at Leop/Chelt.)
gg.co.uk
gg.co.uk - Fugitif – 4 trends matched. (Age 10 fits; carries 11–5 so just over the preferred weight. Rated 148, slightly high. Didn’t win LTO and last ran at Newbury, but has course form and a busy season.)
gg.co.uk - Path d’Oroux – 5 trends matched. (Age 8, weight 11–2, OR 145 – right in the sweet spot
news.williamhill.com
. Has several runs this season. Last ran in Ireland; not a last-time winner but was placed in a big Leopardstown handicap, which is encouraging.)
gg.co.uk
news.williamhill.com - Shakem Up’Arry – 3 trends matched. (The defending champ is now 11, older than ideal. Does have a perfect OR 145
news.williamhill.com
, but carries 11–2. Crucially, he won last time out at Cheltenham, which checks a big box
racingpost.com
. However, with just one run this season, he’s short on the usual workload.)
gg.co.uk - Il Ridoto – 5 trends matched. (Age 8, carries 11–2, OR 145
news.williamhill.com
– ticks the major boxes. Has run multiple times this season. Last run was likely in a Cheltenham handicap, which would fit the track trend. Did not win LTO but has solid credentials otherwise.) - La Malmason – 5 trends matched. (Age 7, weight 11–1, OR in mid-140s (est. 144). Meets age, weight, rating, and season-run trends. Last run in Ireland (trained by an Irish yard) – not sure if it was at Leopardstown, but he brings a progressive profile.)
- Masaccio – 5 trends matched. (Age 8, 11–1 weight, OR 144
news.williamhill.com
. Right in the prime range for age and rating. Has a few runs this season. Last run wasn’t a win and was in the UK, but otherwise aligns well with past winners’ profile.) - Gemirande – 5 trends matched. (Age 9, carries 10–13 which is under 11 st, OR 142
news.williamhill.com
firmly within the ideal band. Has course experience (Venetia Williams’ horses often run at Cheltenham) and a full season campaign. His recent form is solid, though not a last-out winner.) - Seddon – 3 trends matched. (Now 12 years old, which is above the usual age bracket – he’s the veteran of the field. Does carry 10–12 (low weight) and an OR ~141
news.williamhill.com
, which fit trends. Irish-trained and likely prepped in Ireland, but his age and lack of a last-out win drop him on trend count.) - Tahmuras – 5 trends matched. (Age 8, 10–12 weight, OR 141【38†L1-L4}, all positives. Has had a couple of runs – though only 2, which is just below the ideal of 3+ starts. Didn’t win last time (fell in a Grade 2 chase), but as a novice he is unexposed, which has been a successful profile here in the past.)
- Jagwar – 5 trends matched. (Age 6, 10–10 weight, OR 139 – just a hair below the ideal rating range, but close. Importantly, he won over Cheltenham’s course and distance on his last run in January
racingpost.com
. Has multiple runs this season. Virtually all boxes ticked except being just under the OR 140+ cutoff.) - Thecompanysergeant – 4 trends matched. (Age 8, low weight 10–10, OR ~139, and Irish-trained. Has had a few runs, though his recent form is mixed (no LTO win). He is back over fences for a new yard, fitting the profile of an unexposed chaser – a positive in this race.)
- Personal Ambition – 4 trends matched. (Age 6, carries 10–8, OR 137
racingpost.com
(a bit below the typical range). He’s a novice (no chase wins yet) but did win a 2m2f hurdle. Meets age/weight and has run 3 times this season, though he didn’t win any of those. First-time headgear is a slight red flag given trends, but his profile otherwise is workable.) - Riaan – 4 trends matched. (Age 8, 10–7 weight, OR 136
news.williamhill.com
(just below ideal). Crucially, he had his last run in the Leopardstown Handicap Chase in early February
irishracing.com
, running well in 4th. He has more than three runs this season. Lacks a last-out win and is a tad low on rating, but he’s very much following a proven Irish path to this race.) - Mars Harper – 4 trends matched. (Age 9, 10–7, OR 136
news.williamhill.com
. Irish-trained with a few runs under his belt this season. Did not win last time out and his rating is on the low side, but his age, experience, and campaign length align with past winners.) - An Peann Dearg – 4 trends matched. (Age 8, 10–5 weight, OR 134
news.williamhill.com
. Another Irish contender who has been busy this season. He hasn’t won recently and his mark is a bit under the usual range, but he does fit the age and weight profile, and comes from a yard that knows how to plot a handicap coup.) - Lord of Thunder – 4 trends matched. (Age 7, 10–5, OR 134
news.williamhill.com
. He won his last start, which is a positive
racingpost.com
. However, note that he was declared a non-runner, so he won’t be in the final line-up.) - Demnat – 3 trends matched. (Age 8, 10–2 weight, but OR only 127
news.williamhill.com
which is well below past winner norms. Has run a few times but without notable success. While he enjoys a low weight, he’s outside the typical class/ratings of a Plate winner.) - Individualiste – 3 trends matched. (Age 7, 10–2 weight, OR 122
news.williamhill.com
– the lowest in the field. Meets the age and weight trends, and has had a busy season, but on ratings/class he would be a historical outlier should he win.)
Each horse has its own mix of positives and negatives relative to the profile of a typical Festival Plate winner. As the list shows, many of this year’s contenders check a majority of the trend boxes (especially those in the mid-weight, mid-rating range around 2½ miles), while a few fall outside in one or two aspects. The Festival Plate is known for its competitiveness and occasional surprises, so while trends are helpful indicators, they don’t guarantee success – every race can produce its own story!
Sources: Historic winners and stats from Festival Plate archives
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
; key trend stats from Racing Post and analysis sites
racingpost.com
gg.co.uk
; 2025 runners, weights, and ratings from official listings
news.williamhill.com
news.williamhill.com
.
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- Age: All of the last 20 winners were aged 6 to 11, with 18 of those 20 falling in the 6–10 range
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