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Fulke Walwyn KIM MUIR Challenge Cup Amateur Rider Handicap Chase

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  • 12/1 for Frontal Assault NRNB BOG is an incredibly fair price based on that run.

    Like all 3, but Flouer now 8/1, I'd side with FA if they met again.


    Without knowing the weights, which could sway things...obviously!

    Grand Paradis still suspended on 365.


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    • Looking back at the replay, I'd be shocked if that was Jack trying his best riding out a finish there, which isn't a bad thing for Grand Paradis backers. Tough to know which one of the 3 to take out the race but personally I'd be siding with the 2nd and 3rd so have added Frontal Assault, he's came from a fair way back.

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      • Frontal Assault 15.3/1 with a Hills boost looks decent.

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        • Think you could make a case for all 3 there. Frontal Assault is the one my money's on though!

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          • Whats the reason Grand Paradis doesn't have a mark after now having 4 runs? Do they not get one after 3 chases?

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            • Originally posted by darlojim View Post
              Whats the reason Grand Paradis doesn't have a mark after now having 4 runs? Do they not get one after 3 chases?
              Might be something to do with him falling once and being pulled up another? Only completed 1 of 3 chase starts before today.

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              • Originally posted by darlojim View Post
                Whats the reason Grand Paradis doesn't have a mark after now having 4 runs? Do they not get one after 3 chases?
                Has only completed 2 races after today, although you can probably be assessed after a second last fence fall first time out. Also it wasn't a h'cap todays race, I think you need to enter in a h'cap to get a mark, I could be wrong with that however?

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                • Yeah, I've had some of the 14/1 NRNB 5 places for Frontal Assault.

                  I can ignore Grand Paradis, he just doesn't excite me and his jumping, albeit better today, does bother me on the whole.

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                  • ….looks like Oddschecker struggling to keep up with monies for Frontal Assault. The 16-1 PP is 10-1 on their list, showing 14-1 365 when their site have 12-1. 10-1 Hills. Looks like 16-1 (18-1 with boost) available with Lads with no cash-out or NRNB.

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                    • Grand Paradis still suspended by B365. I'd prefer GP of Elliotts but Floueur does have the course form. Good race today though and will be interesting to see what marks they each get.

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                      • Originally posted by DenmanSacre View Post
                        Grand Paradis still suspended by B365. I'd prefer GP of Elliotts but Floueur does have the course form. Good race today though and will be interesting to see what marks they each get.
                        HRI ratings:

                        Floueur +4 (140)
                        Grand Paradis unchanged (138)
                        ​​​​​Frontal Assault unchaged (138)

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                        • Great news, FA looks the one to relish the step up in trip, very happy with that.

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                          • Does anyone know if Floueur's UK mark will be too high after this?

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                            • Originally posted by Fouroverthrutwo View Post
                              Does anyone know if Floueur's UK mark will be too high after this?
                              Depends how BHA h'capper assesses him. 145 is the cut-off mark. Has 140 in Ireland now so 5lbs to spare, with anticipated UK tax of 3+ lbs it could be tight.

                              Elliott sometimes enters his horses in UK h'caps prior to the festival just to understand what the marks are in advance of making decisions closer to the time.

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                              • Originally posted by PresentingPercy View Post

                                Depends how BHA h'capper assesses him. 145 is the cut-off mark. Has 140 in Ireland now so 5lbs to spare, with anticipated UK tax of 3+ lbs it could be tight.

                                Elliott sometimes enters his horses in UK h'caps prior to the festival just to understand what the marks are in advance of making decisions closer to the time.
                                he got 3lb on his hurdle rating last year, but no guarantees.

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