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[Quevega]

https://www.racingpost.com/news/gambling-review/the-3-billion-black-hole-calls-for-urgent-action-on-affordability-checks-as-online-betting-turnover-on-racing-crashes-aeidU3Z4OG15/

This article in todays Post is fucking mind blowing, one for the figures and sharp decline. And secondly for how the Post continue to blame it all on affordability checks.
I've not been bothered by one affordabilty check yet, but have bet less over the last 2 years because they won't fucking let me bet more.
Also had a losing year so far, so would have lost more.
Which explains why both turnover and profits are both down.
Then you look at the graph showing the rise in casino activity vs all other sports and you just end up fuming and come on her for a rant.
Fucking staring you in the face.
Government, BHA whoever the fuck it concerns - get your fucking act together.

We need minimum accept wagers for ALL clients and they need to more closely monitor regular casino bettors.

[fatherjohn]

https://www.racingpost.com/news/gamb...-aeidU3Z4OG15/

This article in todays Post is fucking mind blowing, one for the figures and sharp decline. And secondly for how the Post continue to blame it all on affordability checks.
I've not been bothered by one affordabilty check yet, but have bet less over the last 2 years because they won't fucking let me bet more.
Also had a losing year so far, so would have lost more.
Which explains why both turnover and profits are both down.
Then you look at the graph showing the rise in casino activity vs all other sports and you just end up fuming and come on her for a rant.
Fucking staring you in the face.
Government, BHA whoever the fuck it concerns - get your fucking act together.

We need minimum accept wagers for ALL clients and they need to more closely monitor regular casino bettors.

a lot of this is also the bookies themselves. see how quick they are to react to winning accounts and rsstrict betting. they are abusing legislation when they choose to. they are so risk adverse and really just want you to pump money into slots.

several of my mates won with a small free bet and were immediately restricted despite overall winning being less. than 100 quid.

if you look across this forum the number of restricted accounts is massive and that will never reverse, so a few are holding onto the one/two accounts still accepting bets but only one win away from a full restriction.

bha aren't blameless as they just seem incapable or organising themselves into a narrative that cuts through- most of their time seems ro be spent apologising to pressure groups

[Odin]

https://www.racingpost.com/news/gamb...-aeidU3Z4OG15/

This article in todays Post is fucking mind blowing, one for the figures and sharp decline. And secondly for how the Post continue to blame it all on affordability checks.
I've not been bothered by one affordabilty check yet, but have bet less over the last 2 years because they won't fucking let me bet more.
Also had a losing year so far, so would have lost more.
Which explains why both turnover and profits are both down.
Then you look at the graph showing the rise in casino activity vs all other sports and you just end up fuming and come on her for a rant.
Fucking staring you in the face.
Government, BHA whoever the fuck it concerns - get your fucking act together.

We need minimum accept wagers for ALL clients and they need to more closely monitor regular casino bettors.

There's a problem and it pisses me off - particularly your point about restricting accounts, but where the fuck is the evidence that betting income should have increased with inflation?!

Still a 1.5 billion shortfall if it had flat lined, but it annoys me when stupid assumptions like rising with inflation are made when all evidence I'm aware of suggests the opposite (e.g., reduced leisure time spending because that money is going on food/energy bills). Just gives naysayers an unbelievably simple response to shoot down the story...

[Ice]

Some absolute sense spoken in the last few messages, i dunno if the racing post actually believes the shite it's writing or if they just don't want to upset their bookie sponsors ! Bookies need to be slapped into line, they get away with murder but nowt will happen.

[HoldenTheReins]

Some absolute sense spoken in the last few messages, i dunno if the racing post actually believes the shite it's writing or if they just don't want to upset their bookie sponsors ! Bookies need to be slapped into line, they get away with murder but nowt will happen.

They can't bite the hand that feeds.

The RP is just as complicit being the sports main news outlet.

[Istabraq]

https://www.racingpost.com/news/gamb...-aeidU3Z4OG15/

This article in todays Post is fucking mind blowing, one for the figures and sharp decline. And secondly for how the Post continue to blame it all on affordability checks.
I've not been bothered by one affordabilty check yet, but have bet less over the last 2 years because they won't fucking let me bet more.
Also had a losing year so far, so would have lost more.
Which explains why both turnover and profits are both down.
Then you look at the graph showing the rise in casino activity vs all other sports and you just end up fuming and come on her for a rant.
Fucking staring you in the face.
Government, BHA whoever the fuck it concerns - get your fucking act together.

We need minimum accept wagers for ALL clients and they need to more closely monitor regular casino bettors.

The biggest surprise to me is that the good people at the bible didn’t hide this article behind the paywall….

[archie]

They should be forced to separate casino betting from sports betting completely. Actual separate sites and logins with no links. That would prove that the large majority of problem gamblers are hooked on slots and bingo.

[BigChaang]

Ironic , that you can be restricted to betting 68 pence on a horse or dog . But you can bet up to a thousand quid on 1 spin at Roulette . .
Crazy Crazy Times . .

[Birds Nest]

The gambling commision simply will not regulate the bookies for the benefit of the paying customers, its duty of care advice to bookies puts the onus on the punters, it often hides behind IBAS, the amount of loops u have to go through for anything other than a simple bet resolution is unrealistic. There is no way forward in trying to achieve a "unfair practice" by the bookies for things like restricted accounts, its almost as if a restricted account is what the gambling commission wants as a result. In my experience anyway.

[Quevega]

The gambling commision simply will not regulate the bookies for the benefit of the paying customers, its duty of care advice to bookies puts the onus on the punters, it often hides behind IBAS, the amount of loops u have to go through for anything other than a simple bet resolution is unrealistic. There is no way forward in trying to achieve a "unfair practice" by the bookies for things like restricted accounts, its almost as if a restricted account is what the gambling commission wants as a result. In my experience anyway.

Yep - you cannot really do away with the power of the bookie to decide not to play with any specific client.

However, the minimum bet/lay option that is used in other countries is definitely something that would alleviate the issues for your average punter.
There is absolutely no way punters who bet their tenners and twenty quids should be restricted to pence.
The risk is absolutely minimal to most bookmakers.
The minimum wager they each have to take should be related to the companies profits allowing smaller operations to have tighter control/lower minimums.

And by all means any bookmaker should have the right to close down anyone who abuses terms and conditions, like multiple accounts etc.

And archie 's idea is bang on.
The skill based sport betting is entirely different to most of the fixed odds stuff in casino world. And IMO much more addictive and easy to lose fast.

[Istabraq]

And archie 's idea is bang on.
The skill based sport betting is entirely different to most of the fixed odds stuff in casino world. And IMO much more addictive and easy to lose fast.

I’d be fairly sure bookmakers use affordability checks as an excuse to interrogate punters knowing they won’t comply so they are able to restrict/close punters at will.
I was asked by two major bookmakers to provide my details and both accounts were significantly profitable so the skill element, whilst a valid suggestion, is likely to lead to more restricted accounts anyway.
They’re bookmakers, they’ll do whatever they want that’s in their interests, and as has always been the case the regulator looks the other way….

[Quevega]

I run an IFA and Estate Planning business and every year I send out Xmas cards with scratchcards inside to all my clients 150+.

Not fucking this year, you can only buy 10 at a time from fucking shops, as the nice lady told me in Sainsburys this morning.

Restrictions everywhere.
But one I'm delighted about as spending two day writing Xmas cards out is not my favourite job, as you can imagine.
Think the lady at Sainsburys was also delighted as counting out that many is not easy for some.

Donation to charity instead me thinks

[Ice]

I run an IFA and Estate Planning business and every year I send out Xmas cards with scratchcards inside to all my clients 150+.

Not fucking this year, you can only buy 10 at a time from fucking shops, as the nice lady told me in Sainsburys this morning.

Restrictions everywhere.
But one I'm delighted about as spending two day writing Xmas cards out is not my favourite job, as you can imagine.
Think the lady at Sainsburys was also delighted as counting out that many is not easy for some.

Donation to charity instead me thinks

I bought my girlfriend one of those million pound jackpot scratchcards last Christmas, i don't know if she won anything cos i haven't seen her since !

[Tickety Boo]

Hi Guys anyone got any info on Operation Manna runs 1.15 Sandown tomorrow? Won the same race last year 1lb lower this year. I'm thinking maybe get some Christmas money from it?

[archie]

I run an IFA and Estate Planning business :

I see you more as IFA and WTF!

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