General Chat

[The Fellow]

other news from Brian Acheson , who apparently was a very nice chap

not confident on the strength of his string this season

Kilgame , very big and may take time

he mentioned one for the Triumph , thinks its called Kurasso Blue , will aim for the DRF and hopefully Triumph

Bob Olinger will be aimed for the American National next year

[OverTheLast]

They simply can't acknowledge the extent of the black market 'problem' because it will just confirm the incompetence of how racing authorities and the regulator have 'managed' the sport in recent years.
You are bang on about the regulator's strategy in attempting to eradicate the black operators rather than tackle the issues that have created their emergence which has to be high level ignorance and stubbornness, the black market can/will never disappear just as it hasn't in every industry, they will find a way.

The point Spectre raises about the licences is interesting, I know in the States restrictions are now commonplace albeit less brutal than here, I also know in Australia that restrictions on accounts doesn't exist, presumably the regulator there has seen the chaos caused by the behaviour of UK bookmakers and insisted they can't do it.
Sending the gambling underground helps no-one and maybe the Aussies are cleverer than I've ever given them credit for in realising this.

I do believe that while the game is funded the way it is the potential exists for catastrophe, like everyone I hope someone somewhere has a masterplan that can be implemented to ensure its' success and future growth but attitudes all round (regulator, BHA and bookmakers) right now don't suggest that's imminent....

Is that true about about Australian firms having no restrictions? I watch quite a bit of their racing and they are excessive on the safe gambling advertisements and read a few things on twitter about them clamping down a bit over there

[Quevega]

Is that true about about Australian firms having no restrictions? I watch quite a bit of their racing and they are excessive on the safe gambling advertisements and read a few things on twitter about them clamping down a bit over there

I think most of them have to take a minimum wager (payout) before placing restrictions.
But the rules may differ from state to state.

Minimum bet limits refer to the minimum wager to lose (win or win/place payout) that a bookmaker must accept without restricting or closing a customer’s account. Minimum bet limits have recently been introduced by Racing NSW, Racing Victoria and soon Queensland.

excerpt from Government report

[Quevega]

Probably one dollar

[Istabraq]

Is that true about about Australian firms having no restrictions? I watch quite a bit of their racing and they are excessive on the safe gambling advertisements and read a few things on twitter about them clamping down a bit over there

My Son lives in Queensland, he's 28 and has a large group of like minded mates who all bet, none of them had ever heard about account closure/restrictions until my Son told them of the battles I face in the UK, they are dumbfounded at the questions we get quizzed with by bookmakers and at they can't comprehend the idea that someone performs affordability checks and decides what you are permitted to bet (although I'm convinced this is just a screen for bookies restricting punters).
My Son gets a deposit match bonus every Friday from his bookmaker (Sports Bet) up to $250, he also gets boosts, free bets and all kinds of promotions.
He uses Bet365 there and can bet whatever he wants, no questions asked, I doubt there's anyone in here who has an unrestricted 365 account, same Ladbrokes.
What they don't get is extra places on UK horse racing, he often bemoans me for having a nice place multi when everything finishes 4th and he gets nothing.
The idea of moving there, getting set up with bank account, bookmaker accs etc is very appealing...

[Quevega]

My Son lives in Queensland, he's 28 and has a large group of like minded mates who all bet, none of them had ever heard about account closure/restrictions until my Son told them of the battles I face in the UK, they are dumbfounded at the questions we get quizzed with by bookmakers and at they can't comprehend the idea that someone performs affordability checks and decides what you are permitted to bet (although I'm convinced this is just a screen for bookies restricting punters).
My Son gets a deposit match bonus every Friday from his bookmaker (Sports Bet) up to $250, he also gets boosts, free bets and all kinds of promotions.
He uses Bet365 there and can bet whatever he wants, no questions asked, I doubt there's anyone in here who has an unrestricted 365 account, same Ladbrokes.
What they don't get is extra places on UK horse racing, he often bemoans me for having a nice place multi when everything finishes 4th and he gets nothing.
The idea of moving there, getting set up with bank account, bookmaker accs etc is very appealing...

Pretty certain it's not quite as rosy as you make it sound down under. But your son and his mates should just enjoy it

Whilst not as prevalent (and unchecked) as in the UK. The Aussie online bookmakers have also latched on to the theory and practice of restricting accounts to appease shareholders and boost profits. This is obviously something they would do as they are mostly Global businesses branded slightly differently across the World.

It's one of the reasons the studies into this practice over there introduced minimum bet limits in several states, something sadly lacking in the UK.
I think they have also banned online poker/casino's etc and using credit cards for funding.

I think they quickly realised where the majority of problem gamblers played.
I read into all this a couple of years back.

https://www.dss.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/11_2017/final_report_-_betting_restrictions_report.pdf

[Istabraq]

Pretty certain it's not quite as rosy as you make it sound down under. But your son and his mates should just enjoy it

Whilst not as prevalent (and unchecked) as in the UK. The Aussie online bookmakers have also latched on to the theory and practice of restricting accounts to appease shareholders and boost profits. This is obviously something they would do as they are mostly Global businesses branded slightly differently across the World.

It's one of the reasons the studies into this practice over there introduced minimum bet limits in several states, something sadly lacking in the UK.
I think they have also banned online poker/casino's etc and using credit cards for funding.

I think they quickly realised where the majority of problem gamblers played.
I read into all this a couple of years back.

https://www.dss.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/11_2017/final_report_-_betting_restrictions_report.pdf

Yeah, my boy plays serious poker and hasn't been able to play online for while now.
I know he does OK (shows a profit from his punting) and I know he shares stuff with his group of mates and they all follow, so they would all be prime candidates for restrictions, the fact none of them have seen any restrictions I assumed was something to do with a regulator/government who issue licences with rules attached around the practice.
W Hills used to be prominent over there but pulled out of the Aussie market a few years ago.
I've told him exactly the same, make the most of it while it's there...

[Quevega]

Yeah, my boy plays serious poker and hasn't been able to play online for while now.
I know he does OK (shows a profit from his punting) and I know he shares stuff with his group of mates and they all follow, so they would all be prime candidates for restrictions, the fact none of them have seen any restrictions I assumed was something to do with a regulator/government who issue licences with rules attached around the practice.
W Hills used to be prominent over there but pulled out of the Aussie market a few years ago.
I've told him exactly the same, make the most of it while it's there...

I think the minimum bet limits are related to the profits of the bookies.
Basically the bigger the profit the more a punter can win on any single bet.
So as sportsbet are the biggest Aus firm then this might explain your lads experience.
And B365 obviously also a big fish.

Minimum bet limits vs bookie profits, over here would remove most of us from any hassle I'm sure.
Just corporate greed really.

It's like what we've discussed before, the number of punters restricted that will not win long term must be a very high percentage as most of us will lose in the long run. So the bookies are losing revenue in this market (horse/sports betting - skilled), but whilst ever they can rake profits from online poker and casinos then they don't need to take the risk elsewhere.

It's fucking obvious really but for some reason our government and regulators cannot see this or choose to ignore it.

[Istabraq]

Yep, completely agreee Q

[Brooker17]

Good news that Jonny Dineen is returning for Upping the ante.
Definitely one of the best ante post shows around and glad Jonny is returning

[Madmoose]

Off the fence not returning this year Tony Keenan said as he joins the racehour podcast

[Yosser]

Off the fence not returning this year Tony Keenan said as he joins the racehour podcast

That was the only one i was planning on not watching anyway and any preview night with AP on it after the shit show they produced last year.

[Yosser]

Good news that Jonny Dineen is returning for Upping the ante.
Definitely one of the best ante post shows around and glad Jonny is returning

Top quality. Dineen is a huge draw. Glad he hasn't forgotten the show that made him famous (in horse racing circles)

[Wayward Lad]

Although I like to listen to Dinesen as I think he’s hilarious, not sure ‘up the ante’ picked too many (any?) Cheltenham winners last year?

As entertainment great, but as a source of picking Cheltenham winners, I dont think so, even if they do move the markets!

[Brooker17]

To be fair they tipped Ballyburn and teahupoo end of the 2023 show and a £5 double paid nearly £900 to those that backed it.