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[Lobos]

Really appreciate the info and I'm comfortably out of my positions I had on him for Turners in profit, but I still find this an absolutely remarkable decision...

That's why we are punters and not trainers. Willie knows best. He's a nice EW price should CH bomb out this season. Great to have as cover along with State Man. The winner will come from those 3 for sure.

[FinalFurlong91]

As good as IEP is if he performs like he did over at punchestown again at 2 miles I'd probably class that as a walkover

The hill on the snaff

IEP simply doesn't have the speed to trouble him

Baffling decision if both IEP and state man stay over hurdles

[Odin]

That's why we are punters and not trainers. Willie knows best. He's a nice EW price should CH bomb out this season. Great to have as cover along with State Man. The winner will come from those 3 for sure.

Wholly agree around the punters not trainers part - I got journey with me completely wrong as well
Only situation that logically makes sense to me is a tilt at the stayers now before going rsa and then gold cup (or winning multiple stayers) but even that supposedly isn't happening now due to Gaelic warrior. I just can't get my head around the champion hurdle option so I'll just leave the race alone with a marine national loser and state man possible still running.

[Quevega]

Both Marine Nationale and IEP looked very classy Champion Hurdle types when winning their respective novice races at Cheltenham.

If Willie keeps IEP hurdling then if I was State Man's owner I'd be asking why ?
Does he think he's better than State Man at this stage of his career and will improve past him ?

[HesTheOne]

Someone’s been busy getting loads of horses added. I’ve not even heard of half of them. Going to have to start doing some research

Had a look through this evening, loads of the nicer type Irish P2P ones are there. Some do interest me but not sure to play the twar price now or get them added to other specific race markets as most don’t appear with any other firm.

Wont be long before the books and circuits begin and these lot get hyped up when JPs name is stuck on and a few rocket emojis

[Exar Essay]

At the risk of hyping one up, does anyone know where Jeriko Du Reponet ended up? I'd heard a rumour but seen nothing reliable. He was my pick of the 4yo's.

[darlojim]

At the risk of hyping one up, does anyone know where Jeriko Du Reponet ended up? I'd heard a rumour but seen nothing reliable. He was my pick of the 4yo's.

One im very much wanting to know also...

I've heard JP has bought him but not concrete info

[RoadToCheltenham]

Not sure on the right thread for this but will try here...

With the new dissent/time wasting rules enforced this weekend, there may be some nice roll up opportunities for player card bets in the early weeks of the season. Sure the bookies will cotton on and shorten those markets sooner rather than later but I'm sure for now there is a chance to make the most of these.

Bruno Fernandes @ 7/2 vs Wolves on Monday night just one example where i think the price is reasonable.

[HesTheOne]

Not sure on the right thread for this but will try here...

With the new dissent/time wasting rules enforced this weekend, there may be some nice roll up opportunities for player card bets in the early weeks of the season. Sure the bookies will cotton on and shorten those markets sooner rather than later but I'm sure for now there is a chance to make the most of these.

Bruno Fernandes @ 7/2 vs Wolves on Monday night just one example where i think the price is reasonable.

There’s a fella on Twitter called ‘TheCardDealer’ specialises in bookings bets, runs them models for expected value etc I used him quite abit during the euros and found he had a pretty good success rate at nice prices. Haven’t looked in a long time but it’s free of course btw.

Worth a 1st look if people are looking for similar edges

[Quevega]

Rarely bet on football even though I watch every game that's broadcast near enough.

But I was thinking about edge's in football betting in this early season and with them effectively playing around 10% more actual game time, ball in play, and the new discipline rules, this means goals and bookings should increase on average, particularly with any fatigue factor also.

Wouldn't be sure which markets would be best to follow myself, but anything around total goals/cards or over and under markets would be worth analysing just in case the bookies have not fully factored it just yet, or got the balance right.

[FinalFurlong91]

Rarely bet on football even though I watch every game that's broadcast near enough.

But I was thinking about edge's in football betting in this early season and with them effectively playing around 10% more actual game time, ball in play, and the new discipline rules, this means goals and bookings should increase on average, particularly with any fatigue factor also.

Wouldn't be sure which markets would be best to follow myself, but anything around total goals/cards or over and under markets would be worth analysing just in case the bookies have not fully factored it just yet, or got the balance right.

I might try laying teams that are winning by 1 goal at the 80 minute mark given there's probably 15-20 mins left not 10

Can feel a small stakes experiment in the offing

It's just whether the markets have taken it into account or not yet

[Eggs]

At the risk of hyping one up, does anyone know where Jeriko Du Reponet ended up? I'd heard a rumour but seen nothing reliable. He was my pick of the 4yo's.

…I ‘think’ he’s the subject of discussion in the Members forum (under the radar thread), maybe with Henderson.

[ComplyOrDie]

Does anyone have any thoughts on Landrake for Gordon Elliott?

I've backed him with a couple of freebies for the Turners at 50/1.

He's been a work in progress, and seemingly took a while to get going, but he only finished 4 lengths behind Good Land in his final bumper start before taking really well to hurdles, beating Corbetts Cross by 1 3/4 lengths, albeit over 2m3 1/2f, which no doubt suited Landrake better than it did Corbetts Cross, but still a solid result given how that one went through the rest of the season. Landrake then followed that up with a comfortable success at Fairyhouse over 2m4f, although the opposition wasn't up to much. He then went to Navan where travelling well before falling 3 out, and he finished off his season over a stamina sapping 2m6f on Heavy ground at Navan, finishing half a length down to Senior Chief.

He's by Martaline, and out of a Kayf Tara dam, so I expect chasing to be right up his street.

He is only rated 135 over hurdles, so in true Gordon style, he could well be one campaigned at a handicap, but at this stage I'd hope he'd be given every chance to improve over a fence to see where his ceiling is at.

Gordon also has Irish Point, who is rated plenty higher over hurdles than Landrake, but then again I don't think Gordon has usually backed down from running more than one in a race, so probably a moot point.

[JackieMoon33]

Does anyone have any thoughts on Landrake for Gordon Elliott?

I've backed him with a couple of freebies for the Turners at 50/1.

He's been a work in progress, and seemingly took a while to get going, but he only finished 4 lengths behind Good Land in his final bumper start before taking really well to hurdles, beating Corbetts Cross by 1 3/4 lengths, albeit over 2m3 1/2f, which no doubt suited Landrake better than it did Corbetts Cross, but still a solid result given how that one went through the rest of the season. Landrake then followed that up with a comfortable success at Fairyhouse over 2m4f, although the opposition wasn't up to much. He then went to Navan where travelling well before falling 3 out, and he finished off his season over a stamina sapping 2m6f on Heavy ground at Navan, finishing half a length down to Senior Chief.

He's by Martaline, and out of a Kayf Tara dam, so I expect chasing to be right up his street.

He is only rated 135 over hurdles, so in true Gordon style, he could well be one campaigned at a handicap, but at this stage I'd hope he'd be given every chance to improve over a fence to see where his ceiling is at.

Gordon also has Irish Point, who is rated plenty higher over hurdles than Landrake, but then again I don't think Gordon has usually backed down from running more than one in a race, so probably a moot point.

I'd say handicaps would be most likely for next season although not sure what discipline. If I recall correctly he was fancied by some for the MP race. Looks one for those intermediate trips but his page suggests he could get further too.

[Odin]

Does anyone have any thoughts on Landrake for Gordon Elliott?

I've backed him with a couple of freebies for the Turners at 50/1.

He's been a work in progress, and seemingly took a while to get going, but he only finished 4 lengths behind Good Land in his final bumper start before taking really well to hurdles, beating Corbetts Cross by 1 3/4 lengths, albeit over 2m3 1/2f, which no doubt suited Landrake better than it did Corbetts Cross, but still a solid result given how that one went through the rest of the season. Landrake then followed that up with a comfortable success at Fairyhouse over 2m4f, although the opposition wasn't up to much. He then went to Navan where travelling well before falling 3 out, and he finished off his season over a stamina sapping 2m6f on Heavy ground at Navan, finishing half a length down to Senior Chief.

He's by Martaline, and out of a Kayf Tara dam, so I expect chasing to be right up his street.

He is only rated 135 over hurdles, so in true Gordon style, he could well be one campaigned at a handicap, but at this stage I'd hope he'd be given every chance to improve over a fence to see where his ceiling is at.

Gordon also has Irish Point, who is rated plenty higher over hurdles than Landrake, but then again I don't think Gordon has usually backed down from running more than one in a race, so probably a moot point.

I had him down as an NHC possible with a similar profile to Chemical Energy, but he hasn't had a chase run this summer so have less confidence in that possibility now given the typical profile of an NHC horse and the other possibles that have run