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Boom! 141/1 double (pending) 
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Last edited by The hill; 10 June 2023, 02:01 PM. -
Ziggy got the job done very nicely. Looks a proper 3 miler so hoping that’s the way he’ll be campaignedComment
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Lovely experience there let's hope he goes the NHComment
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Didn't see the race had a 7lb pull with the runner up and on a line through that one I'm struggling to understand the NH Chase market where Maxxum is available at near double the price of S Ziggy.Originally posted by BookieBasher View Post
Will watch the race later...Comment
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It may have been the camera angle but it looked to me like Hubrisko just took his foot completely off the gas approaching the second last and then he just rode in only picking up again on the final run in after the last. Made Ziggy look good... possibly better than he is.Last edited by callhimgamblor; 11 June 2023, 02:58 PM.Comment
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This is my reasoning as to IEP going for champion hurdle. Please feel to shoot me down.
1. Double green already have 2 graded race chasers. They don’t have a champion hurdler.
2. Ballymore winners do well in next years champion hurdle.
3. Statesman won’t beat CH, but IEP just might. When he’s in open company, IEP will improve past stateman, and be willies number one 2m hurdler.
4. Post ballymore, Willie strongly hinted at champion hurdle for winner. He was also on fire before punchestown.
5. Recency bias. If IEP had run before stateman, Willie might have said something quite different post race. How can he be disappointed with IEP? Did better than stateman year before.
6. Who wants a turners winner? Churdle all day. And if IEP goes chasing, why not arkle?
there. I’ve had my say!!Comment
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Why waste two bullets trying to beat constitution hill? Fences for me assuming CH stays hurdlingOriginally posted by Guinness Village View PostComment
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Exactly. Stateman bullet is a dud. IEP the only one in the chamber now!Originally posted by Kautostar View PostComment
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In my opinion, IEP is the only fella that has the potential to serve it up to CH next year. We’ll see. For sure, he’d be up for the turners and arkle if he went chasing. I just feel that he’s a much better horse than facile vega, and out of the two, he’s the one that will go arkle rather than facile vega. But I feel he’s churdle bound.Comment
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Didn't he disappoint Mullins by being caught out for pace on the home turn at Punchestown?Originally posted by Guinness Village View Post
Stayed on to win nicely in the end, at the end of a 2M4F race.
Didn't scream Champion Hurdle that day.
That seemed to be the meeting where Willie thought
● State Man would stay hurdling
● Facile Vega would be a 2M Novice chaser
● IEP was being positioned as more likely to be Novice chaser
FV he said, '2M and stay there unless there was reason to go out in trip'.
This being his mantra generally for horses proven to be Grade1, 2M winners.
They can take more races at 2M and not be burnt out.
He could change his mind of course, or revert back to earlier thinking (seemed to like IEP as a Champion Hurdler after the Ballymore).
Maybe what Con.Hill does could have a bearing too.
"Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".Comment
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Absolutely, all valid points. Just trying to point out other options for IEP other than turners. My personal opinion, is that if opportunities present, marine nationale would beat facile vega over 2m and a fence. IEP would therefore perhaps go 2m and facile vega stepped up in trip.
just thoughts spinning round my vacuous headComment
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I think IEP is a proper horse. I’m sure that he’d win an arkle or turners if he went chasing. But also sure that he’s the only horse with the potential to serve it up to CH in churdle. Not sure where he’ll go, but absolutely sure that turners is not nailed on.
can’t wait to find out.Comment
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Interesting, I feel exactly the same way about Marine National…Originally posted by Guinness Village View PostComment
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I think I'm with you on that.Originally posted by Istabraq View Post
Arkle most likely.
But they could give the Champion Hurdle a go, if they wished, and be the best Novice moving to that race next season (like Con Hill did last season).
Improving the depth of the Champion Hurdle (now and in the future) definitely makes me happy.
State Man and Constitution Hill won 8 Grade 1s between them last year, and lost to no other horses the whole season.
Much higher bar required from Novices wishing to disrupt those 2 next season c/w prior years (with Honey, Epatante, Sharjah to take on)"Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".Comment
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With the disclaimer that IEP in the Turners is my biggest winner, my biggest issues with your points are these two..Originally posted by Guinness Village View Post
3. If State Man wins every Grade 1 in Ireland, why would Willie move him or try to take him on with something else? Logically it makes no sense to me as there's absolutely no guarantee IEP would be better than CH. If CH goes chasing, there's an argument to take on MN with IEP in Champion Hurdle, but again, why move the horse (State Man) that is beating everything except potentially the greatest ever?
6. Turners is a means to an end (i.e. it's a Grade 1 Festival win in novice season). Every chance Willie thinks Facile is better than MN (comments post-Cheltenham suggest that), so if CH stays hurdling, he may want to put the record right. Turners also looks an absolute gimme for IEP if he takes to chasing so why not take the opportunity?
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