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[Quevega]

Could someone please put a link up for Gordons latest stable tour?

it's in stable tours thread

[darlojim]

Could someone please put a link up for Gordons latest stable tour?

posted it in the Stable Tours thread somer

[somer1]

posted it in the Stable Tours thread somer

Cheers dude.

[BigChaang]

Today feels like a day to go through every single race and do some trimming and a bit of splurging.


Ooooooh I'm getting excited. No interaction with the outside world now for a month. Apart from work getting in the way, obviously.


Think we're doing a podcast on Friday too, not sure exactly what we're doing yet (as ever) but any suggestions will be listened to and probably ignored...

Ooh eeh !! , Brilliant .... Love a Podcast . !! .

[BigChaang]

Might not be for Everyone , but i watched the youtube podcast -Racing Post - Johnny Dineen vs Paul Nicholls .
D.J. and J.D went to Paul Nicholls yard , to chat . if you have an hour spare ..

[ComplyOrDie]

Might not be for Everyone , but i watched the youtube podcast -Racing Post - Johnny Dineen vs Paul Nicholls .
D.J. and J.D went to Paul Nicholls yard , to chat . if you have an hour spare ..

I watched it last night, and really enjoyed it.

I've seen plenty on social media giving JD stick about Shishkin too, like they've never been wrong in their lives

[Exar Essay]

I watched it last night, and really enjoyed it.

I've seen plenty on social media giving JD stick about Shishkin too, like they've never been wrong in their lives

That bloke is comedy gold. But my god the number of horses he's written off who've bolted up NTO That video is quality though. PN went up in my estimations too. Other than naming CH as his nap of the week like he's a 6/1 shot

[ComplyOrDie]

That bloke is comedy gold. But my god the number of horses he's written off who've bolted up NTO

Yeah, I agree, but at least he's consistent with his approach. If they've had issues and run stinkers he doesn't want anything to do with them which is fair enough. I guess it was more of a gamble hoping, say, Shishkin, will be back to his best and appreciate the step up in trip. I actually disagreed with him over Shishkin, as per my bet, but I wouldn't be giving him pelters for being wrong about a horse in a game that is based on opinions

[BigChaang]

Yeah . , I thought it was a good watch ., And like you say , Easy to be Judgemental after the Event .
I don't imagine Johnny Dineen loses any sleep ., onwards and upwards to the next one ....

[riccirich]

Yeah, I agree, but at least he's consistent with his approach. If they've had issues and run stinkers he doesn't want anything to do with them which is fair enough. I guess it was more of a gamble hoping, say, Shishkin, will be back to his best and appreciate the step up in trip. I actually disagreed with him over Shishkin, as per my bet, but I wouldn't be giving him pelters for being wrong about a horse in a game that is based on opinions

I wouldn’t say he deserves stick for getting any horse wrong, everyone does from time to time, but it’s his approach of just writing off horses who have a stinker that is just wrong imo. You have to judge each horse on its own merits, when horses have a bad run when they bleed that is an issue that we know can reappear again and again, but if the issue was a defibrillating heart for example, we’ve seen time and time again that horses are usually fine in their next run and it doesn’t occur again, so taking a blanket approach to all horses who throw in a bad run is just not very clever imo. He would have stopped backing vautour, sir gerhard, paisley park, sprinter sacre, shishkin, Dysart dynamo, bravemansgame, Marie’s rock, Epatante, big bucks, stattler, istabraq, apples jade, to name a very small few, pretty early in their careers after one bad run, despite them coming right back to form straight after.

[ComplyOrDie]

I wouldn’t say he deserves stick for getting any horse wrong, everyone does from time to time, but it’s his approach of just writing off horses who have a stinker that is just wrong imo. You have to judge each horse on its own merits, when horses have a bad run when they bleed that is an issue that we know can reappear again and again, but if the issue was a defibrillating heart for example, we’ve seen time and time again that horses are usually fine in their next run and it doesn’t occur again, so taking a blanket approach to all horses who throw in a bad run is just not very clever imo. He would have stopped backing vautour, sir gerhard, paisley park, sprinter sacre, shishkin, Dysart dynamo, bravemansgame, Marie’s rock, Epatante, big bucks, stattler, istabraq, apples jade, to name a very small few, pretty early in their careers after one bad run, despite them coming right back to form straight after.

Yeah, I get what you're saying, but Shishkin had two bad runs, a bone issue, then had a wind op prior to the weekends run. I still fancied him to improve for going out in trip, and backed my opinion, but at the same time I'd be lying if I said I didn't have some doubts myself.

[riccirich]

Yeah, I get what you're saying, but Shishkin had two bad runs, a bone issue, then had a wind op prior to the weekends run. I still fancied him to improve for going out in trip, and backed my opinion, but at the same time I'd be lying if I said I didn't have some doubts myself.

Shishkin was the one with the most serious issue from the few that I listed I think, so he is probably the one that it’s most understandable that he ignored. But even with shishkin, he could have looked at his nrnb price of 7/1 and thought “best case scenario he returns to form and wins what looks a good race next time out and then I’m in a good position, worst case scenario he runs poorly again and doesn’t go for the Ryanair”. That would seem like a smarter approach imo, than simply thinking “nope shishkin is gone at the game and nothing will convince me otherwise”

[ComplyOrDie]

Shishkin was the one with the most serious issue from the few that I listed I think, so he is probably the one that it’s most understandable that he ignored. But even with shishkin, he could have looked at his nrnb price of 7/1 and thought “best case scenario he returns to form and wins what looks a good race next time out and then I’m in a good position, worst case scenario he runs poorly again and doesn’t go for the Ryanair”. That would seem like a smarter approach imo, than simply thinking “nope shishkin is gone at the game and nothing will convince me otherwise”

The problem for JD is he's asked for his opinion, and he doesn't sit on fences. He gave his opinion at that moment in time, that's how he is.

[riccirich]

The problem for JD is he's asked for his opinion, and he doesn't sit on fences. He gave his opinion at that moment in time, that's how he is.

No problem with people giving an honest opinion, just saying that imo I think his thinking on the matter is flawed, and i think he’d be better off tweaking his approach a little. Especially with shishkin when there was no real reason to take such a stance betting wise, you could back him on the chance that he would return to form without much risk attached.

[FinalFurlong91]

I wouldn’t say he deserves stick for getting any horse wrong, everyone does from time to time, but it’s his approach of just writing off horses who have a stinker that is just wrong imo. You have to judge each horse on its own merits, when horses have a bad run when they bleed that is an issue that we know can reappear again and again, but if the issue was a defibrillating heart for example, we’ve seen time and time again that horses are usually fine in their next run and it doesn’t occur again, so taking a blanket approach to all horses who throw in a bad run is just not very clever imo. He would have stopped backing vautour, sir gerhard, paisley park, sprinter sacre, shishkin, Dysart dynamo, bravemansgame, Marie’s rock, Epatante, big bucks, stattler, istabraq, apples jade, to name a very small few, pretty early in their careers after one bad run, despite them coming right back to form straight after.

The list of horses who didn't come back to near their best would be much longer wouldn't it though?

So it wouldn't be the worst day to day betting strategy iv ever heard