General Chat

[Craigy14]

Facile Vega is just a rancid price. In a division where any number of new talents can come out of France or the Point field, a horse that hasn't yet jumped a hurdle in public, and could just as easily go up in trip to the Ballymore, and is a general 5/2 and as short as 2/1, must be the worst price I can recall for any antepost horse before a season has started, ever.

I think this is a new low for bookies. Can anyone recall a worse antepost price on a horse preseason before anything has even seen a racecourse?

Completely agree, I think this is why so many go for roll ups these days, it’s almost a change of approach to antepost.

Prices for horses even 2/3 years ago were double what they are now and more, it’s ridiculous.

So to get the shorties or horses we see as having one of the best chances of winning on side, roll ups are the way forward imo. All about being select with it though, chasing any one horse can be a major fault of the system.

[archie]

Betting is not compulsory.

If you like the price then take it but if you don't then, as my granny used to say, you can do the other.

[HoldenTheReins]

A thread worth reading, proper scummy.

https://twitter.com/CohleTheTaxman/status/1579188851893207041

[Benjy23]

Agree whole heartedly spectre. Pointed this out a week or so ago and a one or two seemed to disagree. I think in general the hard done to attitude is not a good one and often cases unwarranted when the price is actually not so bad, but facile vega’s price is bad beyond belief for me. And it’s not even the case that they have racked up major liabilities and shortened because of it.

delta work & Allaho, while similar prices there can be no complaints. But you have already pointed out the many factors at play with him that there are not for these two at similar prices.

I mean they won't have racked up 'major liabilities' on any Cheltenham horses at this stage but I'd imagine he's amongst the biggest, and is well ahead of anything else in the Supreme betting. E

Not to say he's a good price like but I don't really agree with this part. Hopefully he'll be pushed out, if we see one or two come out before him and perform well and get backed for this. Although with the way things are we'll probably just see others shorten and his price not move!

[Saxon Warrior]

I mean they won't have racked up 'major liabilities' on any Cheltenham horses at this stage but I'd imagine he's amongst the biggest, and is well ahead of anything else in the Supreme betting. E

Not to say he's a good price like but I don't really agree with this part. Hopefully he'll be pushed out, if we see one or two come out before him and perform well and get backed for this. Although with the way things are we'll probably just see others shorten and his price not move!

Betfair and PP went 33/1, maybe as big as 40/1 for a time on Win Bumper 22 and Supreme 23 Double.

Skybet did similar for a while too.

So there could be more liabilities pre-Festival that have hampered his price post-Festival 22, with some firms.

[Lobos]

Betfair and PP went 33/1, maybe as big as 40/1 for a time on Win Bumper 22 and Supreme 23 Double.

Skybet did similar for a while too.

So there could be more liabilities pre-Festival that have hampered his price post-Festival 22, with some firms.

Can't imagine a huge amount would have done those roll ups Saxon. They are not that popular with punters. Just think bookies are very, very wary these days of any high profile horses.

[JackieMoon33]

Betfair and PP went 33/1, maybe as big as 40/1 for a time on Win Bumper 22 and Supreme 23 Double.

Skybet did similar for a while too.

So there could be more liabilities pre-Festival that have hampered his price post-Festival 22, with some firms.

Any punter clued up enough to do that double will likely only be able to get ?1.34 on with SkyBet

[Exar Essay]

Betfair and PP went 33/1, maybe as big as 40/1 for a time on Win Bumper 22 and Supreme 23 Double.

Skybet did similar for a while too.

So there could be more liabilities pre-Festival that have hampered his price post-Festival 22, with some firms.

I think some on here had 150/1?

[Saxon Warrior]

Any punter clued up enough to do that double will likely only be able to get ?1.34 on with SkyBet

There will be a few on here lucky enough to with Sky.

More likely with Betfair and PPI, I would think.

[Benjy23]

Can't imagine a huge amount would have done those roll ups Saxon. They are not that popular with punters. Just think bookies are very, very wary these days of any high profile horses.

Those bets will be far more popular with punters than picking anything else in the supreme will be at this stage!

[Lobos]

Those bets will be far more popular with punters than picking anything else in the supreme will be at this stage!

Only a small handful would have done the Bumper/Supreme bet. Just think Bookies are terrified of the likes of FV

[RoadToCheltenham]

Does anyone know anything about KING OF KINGSFIELD? Bolted up in a point and now with Gigginstown & Gordon - saw he's in the Champion Bumper market at 25/1 but very little talk about him.

[ToniC]

I mean they won't have racked up 'major liabilities' on any Cheltenham horses at this stage but I'd imagine he's amongst the biggest, and is well ahead of anything else in the Supreme betting. E

Not to say he's a good price like but I don't really agree with this part. Hopefully he'll be pushed out, if we see one or two come out before him and perform well and get backed for this. Although with the way things are we'll probably just see others shorten and his price not move!

To be fair I’d not thought of some of the special double prices sax mentions from before 2022 festival.

But his price has been dire since he passed the winning line in the bumper, so it is not as if he has been backed in like for example chapeau de soleil or jonbon. He might have been clipped in from a general 3/1 maybe 7/2 in places without checking oddschecker?

Personally I’d be surprised if he had been a very popular antepost selection since march, the price has just never been there to draw in the casual punter nor the more serious one imo

[JamieSensible]

issue resolved.

[Irish Rugby]

Just my five cents. I think with Willie being ever stronger and Paul Nicholls, who lest we forget, is Champion GB trainer, basically admitting Cheltenham for many of his stars is just not the priority, I'm not surprised for one minute that the bookies are running scared. There has also been an in increase in AP Cheltenham activity. Too many rocking up on the Tuesday morning and finding very short Favs on offer. They too are getting involved earlier. At the same time, Spectre is right. We have yet to see Facile Vega jump a hurdle. One fears if he comes out and remains unbeaten through Christmas, what then, EVENS for the Supreme, 10 weeks out? Each way value on the others.