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  • Originally posted by jack1092 View Post

    I was told by a mate who is friends with a 365 worker that any bets under ?50 are monitored much less + restrictions are less likely. So bet 2x?25 if you want.

    Monetary figures i know.
    Jack you need to squeeze your mate to squeeze his mate for more detail, if he know that he’ll know other stuff...

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    • I’m limited with 365 but it’s to a level that is just about acceptable to me - sometimes I would like to get more on but if I wait for the price to drop I’m allowed to top up (this is not something I’ve experienced with other bookies who have always just restricted to pennies so effectively stopped the account dead). Essentially 365’s methods baffle me slightly and I’m not sure show to play it.

      If I try to place a bet beyond what I’ve been limited to, I’m asked whether I want to refer the rest of the bet to a trader. This happened on my first account and I got to a stage where I just started to say yes and confirmed involvement of the trader. The bets were always accepted and this arrangement carried on for ages without any restriction. However, I’m really unsure to what extent that may have contributed to the demise of that account. I am reluctant to do it on the new account for fear of ‘flagging it’ but I’m not sure if there is any logic to my decision.

      Does this ‘refer to trader’ happen to anyone else and what do you do??

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      • Viking Flagship
        I’m going to assume your ‘new’ account is in someone else’s name and therefore comes under the tag of ‘fraud’ in their T&Cs, probably best to stay quiet and carry on under the radar...

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        • Originally posted by Istabraq View Post
          Viking Flagship
          I’m going to assume your ‘new’ account is in someone else’s name and therefore comes under the tag of ‘fraud’ in their T&Cs, probably best to stay quiet and carry on under the radar...
          Hmm, not sure this is relevant to the question I was asking which was whether anyone else has experienced the ‘refer to trader’ situation, regardless of the legitimacy of their account.

          Carrying on under the radar is ok, until they stop you inexplicably, even when your account is legitimate.

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          • Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post
            I had a problem with my wife's William Hill account last month as they'd restricted it to pennies. I went on live chat and requested the profit and loss and any notes on the account (all notes were redacted).

            Since I kicked up a fuss and request that they send me all of the data, they seem to have relaxed the restriction a little. I appear to be allowed to win ?300 on a racing bet but they won't let me have more than pennies each way - much better than it was.

            I think the Royal Pagialle Betfair Chase special was the one that killed the account.
            If you are operating an account in someone else’s name then that’s their grounds for restricting you due to fraud

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            • Originally posted by Viking Flagship View Post

              Hmm, not sure this is relevant to the question I was asking which was whether anyone else has experienced the ‘refer to trader’ situation, regardless of the legitimacy of their account.

              Carrying on under the radar is ok, until they stop you inexplicably, even when your account is legitimate.
              You said this isn’t your first account with 365, how do you get a second account legitimately ?

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              • Viking Flagship

                For what it’s worth, I often get refer to trader when betting with Sporting Index, this is usually because, as spreads, there is no fixed up or down side and the sum requested can often potentially take you over your credit limit, I’ve had the account 25 years and known many of them as friends, the refer thing has never affected any capacity I can bet but like I say this could be more a credit limit issue.
                Fixed bookies may lay a certain amount to each customer at a price and if you want more it’ll get referred, my guess is more to manage their liabilities and ensure as many customers can get the price rather than any individual restriction, but that’s only a guess...

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                • Originally posted by Istabraq View Post

                  You said this isn’t your first account with 365, how do you get a second account legitimately ?
                  The first account I had was perfectly legitimate and the same ‘refer to trader’ question kept cropping up. My question was whether anyone had knowledge as to whether clicking ‘yes’ could create issues for that account - the current status of my own account being besides the point really. I hoped I could ask this question without being judged. Forgive me if I don’t feel guilty about finding ways to maintain an account and I thought this forum of all places would be somewhere I could be comfortable discussing it.

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                  • Originally posted by Viking Flagship View Post

                    The first account I had was perfectly legitimate and the same ‘refer to trader’ question kept cropping up. My question was whether anyone had knowledge as to whether clicking ‘yes’ could create issues for that account - the current status of my own account being besides the point really. I hoped I could ask this question without being judged. Forgive me if I don’t feel guilty about finding ways to maintain an account and I thought this forum of all places would be somewhere I could be comfortable discussing it.
                    No-one is judging you my friend, I was actually trying help...

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                    • Originally posted by Viking Flagship View Post
                      I’m limited with 365 but it’s to a level that is just about acceptable to me - sometimes I would like to get more on but if I wait for the price to drop I’m allowed to top up (this is not something I’ve experienced with other bookies who have always just restricted to pennies so effectively stopped the account dead). Essentially 365’s methods baffle me slightly and I’m not sure show to play it.

                      If I try to place a bet beyond what I’ve been limited to, I’m asked whether I want to refer the rest of the bet to a trader. This happened on my first account and I got to a stage where I just started to say yes and confirmed involvement of the trader. The bets were always accepted and this arrangement carried on for ages without any restriction. However, I’m really unsure to what extent that may have contributed to the demise of that account. I am reluctant to do it on the new account for fear of ‘flagging it’ but I’m not sure if there is any logic to my decision.

                      Does this ‘refer to trader’ happen to anyone else and what do you do??
                      Whenever it's happened to me, I've got scared and wanted to remain under the radar so cancelled, backed again slightly less and then got on somewhere else.

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                      • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post

                        Whenever it's happened to me, I've got scared and wanted to remain under the radar so cancelled, backed again slightly less and then got on somewhere else.
                        This is the approach I’ve been taking this time around. It just feels so unnatural to actually want them to drop a price so that you can have another bet..!

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                        • I've used it in the past as an opportunity to 'mug up' my account. Not sure if it really worked but Hills used to periodically send my bets to trader so i started doing accums that would trigger it or backing horses under the market (with BOG). Don't think i was ever rejected and virtually never happens to me now (the account is 10+ yrs old now) which considering they apparently have very strict default rules for Irish based accounts backing horses is a success!

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                          • No idea if it’s been on before but ITV 4 at 6.20pm tonight there’s a documentary introduced by Ed Chamberlain on great racehorses of the modern era.
                            Might be worth a watch...

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                            • That's it now with preps. No more from now on in. Not a great deal has happened in the last few weeks. Probably Tritonic today the only real chance at the Fez ? Cotton wool time now. Nearly there.

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                              • Looks like B365 have gone NRNB

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