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Honestly, I'm not one for hyperbole, just find this shocking, bordering on dangerous.
Particularly when you are literally encouraged to borrow money when buying a car with no meaningful financial checks.
Whatever way you look at it the plans are a nonsense, reducing the FOBT I understood as you can easily (pre covid) walk into a casino and play, if you can afford it, for whatever stake you want...
People cheerlead big government and cracking down on things they don't approve of, with little or no room for nuance. We're in the golden age of this. Sooner or later though they realise the beast has other tentacles and an endless appetite.
Particularly when you are literally encouraged to borrow money when buying a car with no meaningful financial checks.
Whatever way you look at it the plans are a nonsense, reducing the FOBT I understood as you can easily (pre covid) walk into a casino and play, if you can afford it, for whatever stake you want...
Cheers, I'll have a look for the petition.
Yeah agreed, I thought reducing all the way down to ?2 was a bit excessive, however I didn't really like not being able to hear the racing in the bookies because of a bunch of yobs shouting at roulette, so I didn't mind too much.
Heavily restricting how much people can bet, will only force people into a black market.
It’s has all sorts of implications , it will affect the money to support racing itself. I don’t want to get into a conversation on a racing forum, about non racing matters, but this country is curtailing freedom of thought in so many ways. Comedy is more or less sanctioned now, anything dangerous will no longer get commissioned by terrestrial channels, if you have a view, it will be generally shouted down if not in line with the liberal elite. Just want to make clear I am not talking about anything covid related, just the way this country is going. Rant over!
Lol what liberal elite? All of the media is right wing and the Tories have been in power for a decade.
"It well generally be shouted down" well hard to argue with robust evidence like that! Rant over.
The affordability checks are pretty odious, and can see pretty malevolent usage of them under the current government ("not sure you should be buying chips peasant, have some gruel"). Will pretty much destroy racing. Don't get why the industry seems to be so keen on them? Unless its fear talk to make what comes more palatable?
Of course, there's the fact that all talk of responsible gambling is nonsense when bookies only want losing punters
The affordability checks are pretty odious, and can see pretty malevolent usage of them under the current government ("not sure you should be buying chips peasant, have some gruel"). Will pretty much destroy racing. Don't get why the industry seems to be so keen on them? Unless its fear talk to make what comes more palatable?
Of course, there's the fact that all talk of responsible gambling is nonsense when bookies only want losing punters
All I can think is that the industry/Gambling Commission are scared witless of government putting out anti-gambling legislation.
It's surprising to see this happening under a Tory government as well, you wouldn't usually associate them with a nanny state.
All I can think is that the industry/Gambling Commission are scared witless of government putting out anti-gambling legislation.
It's surprising to see this happening under a Tory government as well, you wouldn't usually associate them with a nanny state.
Our political system means all parties end up as a couple of hybrid groups. Whislt the Tories have always had their free trade, laissez faire wing, that is often paired with a very socially puritanical group, who are v much in the ascendancy these days. Betting is Bad to them.
Lol what liberal elite? All of the media is right wing and the Tories have been in power for a decade.
"It well generally be shouted down" well hard to argue with robust evidence like that! Rant over.
A lot of the newspapers are right wing, you would be hard pressed to say the BBC is. But you made a fair comment about a puritanical streak in the ascendancy. But as I say if I don’t want to be dragged into political arguments, rather stick to the betting implications that they may try to enforce on us.
A lot of the newspapers are right wing, you would be hard pressed to say the BBC is. But you made a fair comment about a puritanical streak in the ascendancy. But as I say if I don’t want to be dragged into political arguments, rather stick to the betting implications that they may try to enforce on us.
Concurred. We are after all both agreed that this proposal is nonsense
Re the Gambling Commission review, the Government won't want to kill the Goose here, as the UK betting industry is worth ? billions and contributes through the betting levy a range of between 15 and 21 % on gross profits. In the current climate the Chancellor will need all the tax revenues he can get for the foreseeable future.
Personally, I think they might target on-line Casino games and some of the myriad ways you can bet on the footie. There is a real concern also about the number of Gambling companies which sponser football teams.
In terms of affordability checks, there have been a number of surveys mentioning background Experion type credit checks when opening an on-line acconnt and then say every 12 months.
Signed. Thanks for posting that, missed it last time.
It would be an absolute killer.
In regards to antepost though, it states ?100 losses per month. Not amount staked.
Given antepost bets aren't settled until March. Possible loop hole?
I'm sure they'd work a way that into it but could be a glimmer, at least outside day to day betting.
I stake for Cheltenham more than I earn in some months ... and my records are there for all to see....
If I got limited to 100 a month I wouldn't be able to have more than 2 bets a month....
A serious question then, what can we do...as we have a platform to at least be heard...(probably)....
IMO we would need to offer up some suggestions for self regulation which could be considered as effective compromises, with evidence that they meet the main goals of the Gambling Commision.
Do nothing is not an option, so what might actually be palatable to all parties. No doubt the gambling industry is already working up sacrifical lamb proposals which look great but possibly achieve little.
Look what happened about the shop slot machines, the Industry offfered up a meagre concessions and they got walloped.
All parts of the Industry will undoubtedly be seeking out the areas of least profit to offer up in some way but there is something more tangible for racing.
Football could potentially survive with liimited gambling but racing wouldn't stand a chance. Maybe then the Racing Industry should focus on that angle and the Betting Industry has to come out early and state publicly that it fully supports racing. It is the synergy between racing and betting which IMO requires positive reinforecement, proving that current racing betting patterns, funding, habbits etc must pretty much carry on as now otherwise racing is dead. If a strong enough case can be made, then other parts of the Industry will become the softer targets, such as on-line casino slots etc.
Completely agree with all above. If there's a petition anywhere, send it to me please. I have 8 days of isolation left that I will dedicate to getting it signed by every person I know.
As Tom says in his article, stating that people's disposable income cannot be sent how they see fit, is nothing to do with affordability, and everything to do with prohibitionism and control.
It started with the reduction on FOBT stakes and also sugar tax, but our civil liberties are genuinely at risk of errosion.
Honestly, I'm not one for hyperbole, just find this shocking, bordering on dangerous.
As a student, they’d affectively be saying that I can’t bet anymore as I have a student loan. That’s effectively what would happen. Despite being an adult. It’s an utter shitshow and surely won’t come to fruition.
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