General Chat

[ComplyOrDie]

That would be odd for a novice.
But a real sign of intent if they entered him in one.

Delta Work was a 5yo Novice when he won it, he was switched to it late by qualifying at Punchestown in the last week of qualifiers.

Because of Delta Work I was thinking maybe Gordon was going to take this route with Farouk D'Alene, for quite a while now, but he hadn't been entered in any qualifiers so thought nothing of it, until these marks have just come out.

[Saxon Warrior]

Because of Delta Work I was thinking maybe Gordon was going to take this route with Farouk D'Alene, for quite a while now, but he hadn't been entered in any qualifiers so thought nothing of it, until these marks have just come out.

He does need more qualifiers, if TBO us his only one so far.

I'm sure Gordon will have several entered in that Punchestown qualifier in six weeks time, and maybe some in UK qualifiers before then too.

Farouk D could be a good call for one of them, if they think they have a better horse or two for the Bartlett.

[Lobos]

He does need more qualifiers, if TBO us his only one so far.

I'm sure Gordon will have several entered in that Punchestown qualifier in six weeks time, and maybe some in UK qualifiers before then too.

Farouk D could be a good call for one of them, if they think they have a better horse or two for the Bartlett.

I think there's very little chance they'll be thinking in terms of Pertempts for FD. He's there Albert number 1 and won't be going the handicap route imo.

[Saxon Warrior]

I think there's very little chance they'll be thinking in terms of Pertempts for FD. He's there Albert number 1 and won't be going the handicap route imo.

I think he looks there Number one at the moment.

It would be an about-turn to end up in the Pertemps, but not impossible, if, for example, he was well beaten at the DRF.

It may have been their jockeys blog (Keith) where it was mentioned that he jumped a bit to his right, and they were wondering if that suggests a preference for right-handed tracks.

If they arent sure, they could find that out by going left-handed next time out.

[Kevloaf]

Vanillier could have a lovely mark with a bit of UK tax if they went the pertemps route.

Martin Pipe more likely?

Plenty of dour stayers have won that...

If the marks correct he'll be nowhere near winning an Albert Bartlett. He'd want to be ahead of the mark to be winning either race, but I reckon they'll consider the M.Pipe if they can secure a good conditional?

[Outlaw]

Martin Pipe more likely?

Plenty of dour stayers have won that...

If the marks correct he'll be nowhere near winning an Albert Bartlett. He'd want to be ahead of the mark to be winning either race, but I reckon they'll consider the M.Pipe if they can secure a good conditional?

Yeah equally a fair shout, as you say even if you think the horse is capable of winning an AB which is what? a 150 horse at the least arguably.

You'd have to optimise such a mark wouldn't you? Now I know a few on here don't like that statement but when an opportunity presents itself with hcap marks you can't fault them if they think he has 10-12lbs up the sleeve.

[ComplyOrDie]

Martin Pipe more likely?

Plenty of dour stayers have won that...

If the marks correct he'll be nowhere near winning an Albert Bartlett. He'd want to be ahead of the mark to be winning either race, but I reckon they'll consider the M.Pipe if they can secure a good conditional?

Just asked Hills for a price for Crosshill for the Pipe, only 137 in Ireland currently. Solid form with Vanillier too.

[Quevega]

I wouldn't get too hung up on the ratings determining targets.

There were 12 horses in the Bartlett last year that had marks below 145.
14 year before.
14 year before that.

Plenty have won the race or placed off Irish marks below 140. Including Penhill.

[Outlaw]

I wouldn't get too hung up on the ratings determining targets.

There were 12 horses in the Bartlett last year that had marks below 145.
14 year before.
14 year before that.

Plenty have won the race or placed off Irish marks below 140. Including Penhill.

Nobody is saying they ain't good enough, it's more the fact I'd fancy any Irish novice running around 140 vs our crop of exposed hcappers in such races at present.

[Quevega]

Nobody is saying they ain't good enough, it's more the fact I'd fancy any Irish novice running around 140 vs our crop of exposed hcappers in such races at present.

So would I - most of the time.

I piped up cos horses on very good marks have still opted for the Bartlett.

Probably trip, owner preference and/or jockey availability influenced.

[Outlaw]

So would I - most of the time.

I piped up cos horses on very good marks have still opted for the Bartlett.

Probably trip, owner preference and/or jockey availability influenced.

It's a fair comment and if if he did end up in the AB you wouldn't rule him out given guaranteed stamnia etc

just as punters speculating ain't we

[Kevloaf]

To be fair I'd say it almost rules out the Pertemps.... the effort of getting qualified isn't worth it when an Albert Bartlett may be in reach and you'd perhaps not even need to run as well in an AB as you would in a Pertemps (that'll need fact checking)...

He might be a nice NRNB price for the handicap.... if left alone.

[Outlaw]

To be fair I'd say it almost rules out the Pertemps.... the effort of getting qualified isn't worth it when an Albert Bartlett may be in reach and you'd perhaps not even need to run as well in an AB as you would in a Pertemps (that'll need fact checking)...

He might be a nice NRNB price for the handicap.... if left alone.

Yeah hasty from me as on the go today, probably should of said that mark appeals for hcaps(blanket) rather than namecheck.

off topic but with this lofty rating the Venetia/Ricci horse has achieved what are the chances of securing Patrick if they went the 4mile route?

[Liverpoolchamp]

What are these “policies” Dave nevison is talking about on the racing channel regarding Irish horses coming over for Cheltenham? Is there a decision being made some time soon on the Irish horses being able to take part this year at Cheltenham?

[Faugheen_Machine]

What are these “policies” Dave nevison is talking about on the racing channel regarding Irish horses coming over for Cheltenham? Is there a decision being made some time soon on the Irish horses being able to take part this year at Cheltenham?

There's no decision being made but he was making the point that punters need to know where they stand when backing ante post in these uncertain times.

He name checked Bet Victor, Betfair Sportsbook and Skybet that would justice refunds all bets on horses that were unable to travel so others will follow suit.

He actually tried to make the point that the Irish horses can effectively be backed as if NRNB but I think that could be a dangerous game too play as they could still get injured.