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  • I'd made a mental note this year to avoid the handicap hurdles, except from the Pertemps. I feel like due to the clear defined path you have to take for this race it helps us as punters a lot and you can get solid prices ahead of on the day if you watch the qualifiers for the obvious plots etc.

    I think this is further backed up when you look at the last 10 years for the SP for the winners of the handicap hurdles you have just 2 Pertemps winners with an SP equal to or over 20/1, compared to 6 in the Boodles, 5 in the Coral & 4 in the County. If you then look at the other end of the spectrum for horses 10/1 or under the Pertemps comes out on top again with 5 winners that price, 4 for the County, 3 for the Boodles & just 2 for the Coral Cup.

    Suggests that if you can get a shortprice plot for the County on side early too it might be an option but it needs to be as near to a Grade 1 animal as you can get like State Man but even then their is an air of unpredictability in this race.

    I've always felt the Chases a little easier to target but again this year have tried to steer clear apart from the Ultima. 7 of the last 10 winners have been single figure prices and I feel the market leaders tend to run their races and are quite findable as antepost bets in this race. Just for interest of all the chasing handicaps this is easily the highest with Kim Muir having 6, the Plate having 4 and the Annual having just 3.

    It all points to the staying races being easier to predict and get that early value in, I wonder if it is to do with the fact that the general profile of these horses stick out more and with shorter races a lot more factors can impact the final outcome in a packed field meaning some handicappers over 2m may have experienced less luck in running in big fast fields over the season then their staying counterparts.

    I've managed to stick to just using free bets on the Ultima & Pertemps so far for those who fit the profiles that I expect to be setting off far shorter and have only put my own cash on Maxxum on the OTD. Think this is a strategy I want to aim to stick to but know it's far easier said then done by the time those handicap entries come in and start getting carried away. But with most bookies offering 7+ places on the big fields it does seem to be making more and more sense to avoid them til the week of!

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    • Originally posted by Irish Rugby View Post
      Handicaps. I know a fair few here, and after last year, said they would wait until either the day of the race, or at the very least, the week of the Festival.

      Are you all sticking to that, or being dragged in for whatever value you find in the Boodles/The Plate/The Ultima never mind the Martin Pipe or the Kim Muir. I see a lot of the schoolboy looking podcasters now throwing around handicap 'good things' as if their portfolios demanded it.
      I've backed a couple but I have a two pronged approach. Where a target is obvious, the price imo liable to shorten and I can get NRNB, I'll dabble.

      But the handicap landscape changed so much last year with the swift remarking of british horses, the novice thing this year could have a big impact again. I see a lot of people being like "wheres the fourth run gonna come from" but personally I think we won't see many if any novice handicap winners. But id rather have the sheet of entries, weights and 6+ places in front of me to guess

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      • THE JOCKEY CLUB ANNOUNCES AN END TO DRESS CODES IN MOVE TO MAKE HORSERACING MORE “ACCESSIBLE AND INCLUSIVE”

        Sounds like good news on Dress Codes.

        Should have been banished to the past ages ago, its an outdoor sport, not a night at the opera
        "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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        • could we keep general chit chat out of the "out of the festival" thread please Quevega EnvoiAlien

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          • I was messing about EnvoiAlien
            But chat in the out for the season thread should be kept to just one post confirming a horse is out for the season, nowt else.
            I've no idea how he died, maybe someone knows ?

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            • I was just asking a question not having a chat.

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              • Originally posted by Quevega View Post
                I was messing about EnvoiAlien
                But chat in the out for the season thread should be kept to just one post confirming a horse is out for the season, nowt else.
                I've no idea how he died, maybe someone knows ?
                No worries Q,thank you for replying.

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                • Originally posted by EnvoiAlien View Post
                  I was just asking a question not having a chat.
                  People shit themselves every time that thread goes dark blue mate.
                  Cats get pushed off knees and everything.

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                  • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

                    People shit themselves every time that thread goes dark blue mate.
                    Cats get pushed off knees and everything.
                    Sounds serious,I'll refrain in future lest a kitten gets disturbed.

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                    • ….Henderson update;



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                      • Originally posted by Irish Rugby View Post

                        I really feel the RP are just playing up to their UK readers, assuming they would want to hear this. Just about every racing fan I know though, both English and Irish, accept there is pretty total Irish dominance at the moment. As Ruby says, this is cyclical, although in all honesty, I don't see much change .

                        This is just Kealy and Segal going full contrarian, all very click bait.
                        I know I’m a week behind here but this is an excellent post and I just wanted to touch on it. I find it interesting that the media in racing desperately cling to the Prestbury Cup as a big deal. Does any actual racing fan care whether their winning bet is an English horse or an Irish horse? I honestly couldn’t care less which side of the Irish Sea they come from.

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                        • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

                          Yep. Always pick them around 8-1 to 20-1 mark say 1st to 6th favs. Normally do 1 'Banker' ew in one race and 3 in another. 3 cross doubles in total so at 10 pound ew stakes the total cost between two of us is 60 pound (30 each). If we get 2 placed (say for example 8/1fav and 16/1 4th fav) then the return is 150 pounds (90 pound profit). I've used those odds as we've had two winners at those prices on a few occasions giving us a return of nearly 1700 quid. We often use 2 from one race and 3 from another which increases the stake but clearly gives you a much better chance of getting at least 1 ew double in and in many occasions more than one.

                          Not everyone's cup of tea but definitely mine. Need to be very selective, not get greedy and definitely search around for the most additional places in the morning and use those bookies even though the prices are reduced a little.
                          Have decided to give this a crack this year Lobos. Had a look through results and would’ve done ok with this approach last year (small profit) and adds another type of bet to my week. From lumpy on the day singles, very unlikely placepots, speculative multiples and huge priced outsiders in yankees, what’s one more outside of the box method to try while we are on the train across the county each morning.

                          ?5 e/w cross doubles, 2 horses in the first handicap and 3 in the second handicap comes to ?60 so not horrifically expensive to try. And as you say, should one of the first actually win on any of the four days, we’d have three chances in a later race for a decent result. Last year our only handicap chance of 4 figures was obviously Gaelic so at least this method should add another couple of chances hopefully across the week. Cheers for posting. Will let you know how we get on.

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                          • Best of luck MOM. Keep stakes small and don't be greedy with prices. Always go for additional places over prices. If you feel there is an absolute banker in one race then just do the one and potentially pick 4/5 in the second race. We did this the year Sire Du Berlais won his first Pertemps. Just felt he was a certainty. Luckily Barry ride the race of a lifetime on him and just got up. It then went onto the Kim Muir where we had the winner and a couple more placed

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                            • entries sunday,

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                              • Originally posted by Quevega View Post
                                Charli Parcs ?
                                More cold sweats…

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