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[Lbur4288]

I had a little look at how the novice hurdle winners fared in the championship chase races in the following years. Whilst I only scanned the racing post site which went back to 2010-12 seasons, I was quite surprised to see that the only ones I could see were Altior (Supreme, Champ chase), Vautour (Supreme, Ryanair) and not the same but Cue Card won the bumper and the Ryanair. There's a few who went close and I may have missed one but I did find it interesting that there were so few of the winning novice hurdlers that went on to have wins in the big championship chases.

[robith]

I had a little look at how the novice hurdle winners fared in the championship chase races in the following years. Whilst I only scanned the racing post site which went back to 2010-12 seasons, I was quite surprised to see that the only ones I could see were Altior (Supreme, Champ chase), Vautour (Supreme, Ryanair) and not the same but Cue Card won the bumper and the Ryanair. There's a few who went close and I may have missed one but I did find it interesting that there were so few of the winning novice hurdlers that went on to have wins in the big championship chases.

Minella Indo, no?

[DenmanSacre]

I had a little look at how the novice hurdle winners fared in the championship chase races in the following years. Whilst I only scanned the racing post site which went back to 2010-12 seasons, I was quite surprised to see that the only ones I could see were Altior (Supreme, Champ chase), Vautour (Supreme, Ryanair) and not the same but Cue Card won the bumper and the Ryanair. There's a few who went close and I may have missed one but I did find it interesting that there were so few of the winning novice hurdlers that went on to have wins in the big championship chases.

Bob's Worth as well if you want to go 1 year further back.

If you look at this year's 2nd season chasers, we are looking at Galopin, L'Homme Presse and Ferny Hollow potentially being the best novices into open company from a Cheltenham perspective and none of them won a grade 1 novice hurdle at Cheltenham (although Ferny was injured and Galopin did win a handicap easily).

We could have Constitution Hill and Sir Gerhard aimed at the Champion Hurdle and TNG is out so potentially no novice hurdle winner following up the following year in a novice chase win.

[Mighty]

https://www.attheraces.com/stable-tours/gordon-elliott

Gordon stable tour:

Better Days Ahead:
He’s a nice horse that won his point-to-point in great style. We’ve declared him for a bumper at Down Royal on Friday and we’re looking forward to seeing what he can do. I’d say he’ll go hurdling sooner rather than later after Friday and he’ll stay further than two miles for sure.

Croke Park:
He’s a lovely, big horse. He’s probably more of a jumps horse than a bumper horse. We’ll probably start him in a bumper to get him going and then potentially go hurdling after that, we’ll see. He should be ready to start in the next three or four weeks.

[Stormez]

https://www.attheraces.com/stable-tours/gordon-elliott

Gordon stable tour:

Better Days Ahead:
He’s a nice horse that won his point-to-point in great style. We’ve declared him for a bumper at Down Royal on Friday and we’re looking forward to seeing what he can do. I’d say he’ll go hurdling sooner rather than later after Friday and he’ll stay further than two miles for sure.

Croke Park:
He’s a lovely, big horse. He’s probably more of a jumps horse than a bumper horse. We’ll probably start him in a bumper to get him going and then potentially go hurdling after that, we’ll see. He should be ready to start in the next three or four weeks.

Better Days Ahead still 12/1 any race.

[Lbur4288]

Minella Indo, no?

I definitely didn't make a mistake in this edited post and all the quotes are false

[Lbur4288]

Bob's Worth as well if you want to go 1 year further back.

If you look at this year's 2nd season chasers, we are looking at Galopin, L'Homme Presse and Ferny Hollow potentially being the best novices into open company from a Cheltenham perspective and none of them won a grade 1 novice hurdle at Cheltenham (although Ferny was injured and Galopin did win a handicap easily).

We could have Constitution Hill and Sir Gerhard aimed at the Champion Hurdle and TNG is out so potentially no novice hurdle winner following up the following year in a novice chase win.

I was very surprised myself. Definitely something I'll consider going forward.

[Bonjers]

2nd in the Albert Bartlett to Champ. Just to be specific, I only checked the success rate of the winning novice hurdlers and not the chasers where its obviously higher.

He won the Bartlett. Champ beat him in the RSA (it still bloody hurts).

[Quevega]

2nd in the Albert Bartlett to Champ. Just to be specific, I only checked the success rate of the winning novice hurdlers and not the chasers where its obviously higher.

[robith]

2nd in the Albert Bartlett to Champ. Just to be specific, I only checked the success rate of the winning novice hurdlers and not the chasers where its obviously higher.

No he won the Bartlett, he lost to Champ in the RSA

[DenmanSacre]

I was very surprised myself. Definitely something I'll consider going forward.

It was a good post - shows the different development of horses and the best novice hurdler isn't destined to be the best open chaser in two years time.

[Lbur4288]

No he won the Bartlett, he lost to Champ in the RSA

That's how in depth I looked

[FinalFurlong91]

I was very surprised myself. Definitely something I'll consider going forward.

The only reason I can think is that the best novice hurdler are simply early developers

And 2 seasons later when they get to open company the more backwards late developer's are still improving and now better than them

[Big Bucks]

Hard to keep track sometimes with all the traffic and remember what was posted where. It's not for me, I know others discussed it, but PP have Gentleman de me 33s for Tingle Creek and CC. Was it 18s sky quoted? Sorry if this is posted elsewhere!

[Exar Essay]

Hard to keep track sometimes with all the traffic and remember what was posted where. It's not for me, I know others discussed it, but PP have Gentleman de me 33s for Tingle Creek and CC. Was it 18s sky quoted? Sorry if this is posted elsewhere!

It was mate. 20s initially into 18s.