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[jack1092]

Wish us lot had the money to spend on horses that the Moran's have, the amount they've spent on bang average horses is mind boggling. I read 220k for Au Fleuron and after that performance seems a bit ridiculous

Starting off with this view too, but really they are just getting started. The horses are looking far better this year.

[Olliemagern]

He only signed in August, on a 3 year deal. I think the Boreham Wood manager said something along the lines of Chesterfield paid a fee they were expecting from a Championship club for him. It would be fairly unexpected for him to go in Jan imo

Happy days then

[Kevloaf]

Wish us lot had the money to spend on horses that the Moran's have, the amount they've spent on bang average horses is mind boggling. I read 220k for Au Fleuron and after that performance seems a bit ridiculous

People like that are the reason NH racing is as strong as it is...

I wish them all the luck in the world.... like when Ricci was throwing cash at it..... and JP deserves every winner he gets.

The more money rich people pump in, the more we get to type on our keyboards about it.


Thanks to them.

[Faugheen_Machine]

People like that are the reason NH racing is as strong as it is...

I wish them all the luck in the world.... like when Ricci was throwing cash at it..... and JP deserves every winner he gets.

The more money rich people pump in, the more we get to type on our keyboards about it.


Thanks to them.

Absolutely. I'd love to be in the position to do the same. Fair play to them.

[Istabraq]

People like that are the reason NH racing is as strong as it is...

I wish them all the luck in the world.... like when Ricci was throwing cash at it..... and JP deserves every winner he gets.

The more money rich people pump in, the more we get to type on our keyboards about it.


Thanks to them.

Yep, but for a variety of reasons the majority of that money is going to Ireland.
Could be prize money, training fees, tax laws, handicap system who knows, but the disparity doesn't exist on the flat.
The great things about NH racing now is that we have JP, Giggs, Robcour, Ricci, Beactive stud, the Donnellys and I'm bound to have missed one or two, but there's deep competition...

[Kevloaf]

Yep, but for a variety of reasons the majority of that money is going to Ireland.
Could be prize money, training fees, tax laws, handicap system who knows, but the disparity doesn't exist on the flat.
The great things about NH racing now is that we have JP, Giggs, Robcour, Ricci, Beactive stud, the Donnellys and I'm bound to have missed one or two, but there's deep competition...

As long as the Irish don't feel the need to break away and exclude the British from being part of it, I actually don't mind?

Ireland are world leading in the sport, even on the flat they're competitve with Coolmore and AOB.

It'll go in cycles.... when I got into the sport, Nicholls was dominating..... Irish P2P and French racing are hot now.... but everything will come around... we're all on the same side... I think

[Istabraq]

As long as the Irish don't feel the need to break away and exclude the British from being part of it, I actually don't mind?

The current trends actually make festival betting easier than it was 10+ years ago, you namecheck Nicholls yet it's noticeable that he (largely) doesn't target Cheltenham anymore realising the strength of the Irish.
Also, whatever peoples views are on their horses it's difficult to dislike characters like HDB, Mullins and a few others others...

[Kevloaf]

The current trends actually make festival betting easier than it was 10+ years ago, you namecheck Nicholls yet it's noticeable that he (largely) doesn't target Cheltenham anymore realising the strength of the Irish.
Also, whatever peoples views are on their horses it's difficult to dislike characters like HDB, Mullins and a few others others...

You've got the think that'll shift again though in the next 5 years? Ireland won't dominate forever? It wasn't that long ago 'they' had 7 winners and were chuffed.

I personally don't even see it as Irish versus British, I have more of an affinity to Irish horses than British.... where they're from doesn't really matter (not suggesting you think it does either of course), but for me it's just cycles....

[Spectre]

The current trends actually make festival betting easier than it was 10+ years ago, you namecheck Nicholls yet it's noticeable that he (largely) doesn't target Cheltenham anymore realising the strength of the Irish.
Also, whatever peoples views are on their horses it's difficult to dislike characters like HDB, Mullins and a few others others...

Yes, I completely agree with this. Antepost betting on the Festival is just about as straightforward as I remember with a significant number of winners likely to come from 4 stables, with perhaps another 3 or 4 stables with reasonable chances. Essentially twenty something winners are relatively easily found just by focusing on the right stables. Over the last 10 years it has become progressively more predictable. Go back prior to that it was much harder.

[Istabraq]

You've got the think that'll shift again though in the next 5 years? Ireland won't dominate forever? It wasn't that long ago 'they' had 7 winners and were chuffed.

I personally don't even see it as Irish versus British, I have more of an affinity to Irish horses than British.... where they're from doesn't really matter (not suggesting you think it does either of course), but for me it's just cycles....

Yeah agree, the beauty of NH racing is that we see horses for several years so we get to know them well regardless of where they live.
It was the same with a few French horses year ago, Baracouda and The Fellow cam here several times so you grow an affinity with them...

[Istabraq]

Yes, I completely agree with this. Antepost betting on the Festival is just about as straightforward as I remember with a significant number of winners likely to come from 4 stables, with perhaps another 3 or 4 stables with reasonable chances. Essentially twenty something winners are relatively easily found just by focusing on the right stables. Over the last 10 years it has become progressively more predictable. Go back prior to that it was much harder.

And as Kev alluded to it will flip and we'll have to work harder to find a winner...

[Atlantic Viking]

Interesting clip from Nicky H on the Nick Luck show yesterday about horses carrying more weight than advertised. I have to be honest and admit I didn't know.

https://twitter.com/RacingTV/status/1462537554515959808

[jrjr]

A cautionary tale for those relying on cash out down the line...

Had the plug pulled on my B365 account today. Mainly consisted of antepost bets on the Festival, a few regular racing bets thrown in etc. Was v careful, no home wifi, mobile data only, cleared cookies before and after, didn't take best prices.

Account not closed but cash out withdrawn and stake reduced to pennies. Have a large number of bets that I was planning on tweaking as we moved through the season, but am now stuck with them - will be interesting to see the account balance come close of play on March 18th.

My guess is RWF did me in. Didn't back it at Navan but he features in a significant number of NH Chase and Grand National bets. Must have raised a flag, piqued somebody's interest on a quiet Monday, seen some decent positions on horses that have shortened in price and then given me the 'fuck off' pill.

[Istabraq]

A cautionary tale for those relying on cash out down the line...

Had the plug pulled on my B365 account today. Mainly consisted of antepost bets on the Festival, a few regular racing bets thrown in etc. Was v careful, no home wifi, mobile data only, cleared cookies before and after, didn't take best prices.

So frustrating JR.
It’s unlikely to have been one position on a single horse as they always have the option of refusing you a bet on one horse/race or suspending cashout on that horse, it’s just your turn sadly.
UK bookmakers are a joke, I talk to a few matea in the US and they can’t believe bookmakers close/restrict punters over here, ultimately bookies and the regulator will only accommodate small stakes recreational punters who always lose but in small amounts, the moment you prove to be a winner you’re shut down, embarrassing…

[Saxon Warrior]

So frustrating JR.
It’s unlikely to have been one position on a single horse as they always have the option of refusing you a bet on one horse/race or suspending cashout on that horse, it’s just your turn sadly.
UK bookmakers are a joke, I talk to a few matea in the US and they can’t believe bookmakers close/restrict punters over here, ultimately bookies and the regulator will only accommodate small stakes recreational punters who always lose but in small amounts, the moment you prove to be a winner you’re shut down, embarrassing…

Bookmakers operating in the UK are, in the main, an absolute shit show, they don’t know how to operate fairly.

Australia won’t permit punitive restrictions, or the bookmakers licence will be revoked.
Link explains
https://www.championbets.com.au/book...-limits-state/

Seems maybe US is similar to Australia.

Makes you wonder when the UK will get that parity given to its customers.

A bit of government legislation on the matter wouldn’t come amiss, along with an industry regulator with teeth.