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Having recently registered my own colours, I'd say that the main frustration is when you have the perfect combination and you find that someone else has already nabbed it.
What’s the process with old colours no longer used archie, presumably as owners and colours leave the game they become available for use ?
For example someone like the late David Johnson’s green and blue, could they be snapped up a new owner ?
I’d imagine there are only so many combinations you can create which gets harder over time.
What’s the process with old colours no longer used archie, presumably as owners and colours leave the game they become available for use ?
For example someone like the late David Johnson’s green and blue, could they be snapped up a new owner ?
I’d imagine there are only so many combinations you can create which gets harder over time.
Basically, you register the colours for a fixed period ranging from 1 year to 20 years and you can renew at the end of that period. If you don't renew they go back to being available. With the BHA colours builder you check the colours for availability. If they're not available, some alternatives are offered or you can start again and keep trying until you come up with a valid, available combination. You then have the option to reserve them or register them immediately. It's all online and seems to work efficiently. In the 80s, you filled out a form with preferred options and they rang you to discuss.
I first registered as an owner in the mid 80s and went with white jacket, navy blue sash; white sleeves, maroon armlets; white cap, navy blue spots. I kept those for about 10 years until I dropped the ownership registration. I re-registered as an owner last year with a package that included colours registration. My original colours are no longer a valid standard combination so I've started again from scratch and registered something completely different.
when horses are defined as half brothers/sisters is it correct that is down to having the same dam? So every foal out of the dam are half siblings?
also, I have seen ‘3/4 sibling’ mentioned .. how does that work out?
thanks!
Yes any horse with the same Damn(mother) is related, if they have the same sire(father) they are full siblings, if not half siblings. Sires can cover hundreds of mares a year so makes sense to make them related through Damns as otherwise horses could have bigger family connections than Genghis Kahn.
also, I have seen ‘3/4 sibling’ mentioned .. how does that work out?
I could be wrong but I've always thought that a 3/4 breeding is as follows.
Where each capital letter represents a sire and a dam, assume a mare is AxB. Mated with stallions C and D, she produces 2 daughters CxAxB and DxAxB. The second daughter is mated with stallion C and produces daughter CxDxAxB so 3 of the 4 bloodlines correspond to the first original daughter CxAxB.
An example of this would be the broodmare, Screaming Witness. 2 of her daughters were Airlie Beach, by Shantou, and Daydream Beach, by Mahler. An upcoming store sale features a daughter of Daydream Beach by Shantou who I would call 3/4 related to Airlie Beach.
Maybe a stupid question but is there any restrictions on breeding between family members as in can stallions cover their own offspring?
You're going down the ethical and moral dilemma of inbreeding here. Much the same in the human species (in most places anyway), its not a good idea to cross breed with existing family members for a number of reasons. A good article is to be found here, saves me going into the various reasons as why its not the done thing in farm animals and particularly horse racing, as it may well lead to the demise of the species in the long run if repeated over generations. https://www.bbcearth.com/news/what-a...-of-inbreeding
Everyone has had their say on prize money in NH racing and how it impacts field sizes but I’d love someone to explain how one of the flat seasons biggest races, and 600k pot, to be run on good ground has attracted just four runners.
I’m sure there are reasons and trainers will no doubt defend their corner but that turnout is nothing short of disgraceful…
Everyone has had their say on prize money in NH racing and how it impacts field sizes but I’d love someone to explain how one of the flat seasons biggest races, and 600k pot, to be run on good ground has attracted just four runners.
I’m sure there are reasons and trainers will no doubt defend their corner but that turnout is nothing short of disgraceful…
I liken it a little to the best boxers avoiding each other due to their promoters. Eventually though, if the money is so big, their greed gets the better of them and they will agree to the fight.
Unfortunately for horseracing, doesn't the stud and breeding angles mean a 600k race is considered small fry for the biggest yards, so why bother?
It's always been the way, in a perfect world, we could have had Frankel v Camelot v Black Caviar around a mile but it would have fucked up the fees for post race careers in the minds of some of the owners
Everyone has had their say on prize money in NH racing and how it impacts field sizes but I’d love someone to explain how one of the flat seasons biggest races, and 600k pot, to be run on good ground has attracted just four runners.
I’m sure there are reasons and trainers will no doubt defend their corner but that turnout is nothing short of disgraceful…
Its poor scheduling and generally leads to small fields
Having the prince of Wales and eclipse so close together is stupid and leads to small fields in both and means horses can avoid each other
Its poor scheduling and generally leads to small fields
Having the prince of Wales and eclipse so close together is stupid and leads to small fields in both and means horses can avoid each other
Hasn’t the schedule always been that way ?
I’ve been to several Eclipses and always first Saturday in July and I’m not sure Ascot has ever not been mid June.
Even Enable at her awesome best faced 7 challengers…
The Eclipse has been a Group 1 forever, and the Prince of Wales Stakes was upgraded from Group 2 to Group 1 in 2000.
They are too close together, as they are less than three weeks apart, but no doubt normal rules weren’t applied, to enable Royal Ascot to be given Group 1 status for another race at their meeting.
The key difference between them is that the POW is for 4yo and upwards, and the Eclipse is more inclusive as it’s for 3yo and upwards.
Last edited by Saxon Warrior; 3 July 2021, 07:42 AM.
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