Cheltz Fest 2021 Behind Closed Doors ?

[Rhinestone_Cowboy]

The notion that bookies will return bets placed under ante post rules is as ridiculous IMO as Hendo announcing he thinks Santini has enough speed to win a champion chase.

Monalee in the King George...I think Rooster Boosters post does an excellent job of presenting the wider issues at play on this

[Rooster Booster]

....and then after you've lumped on all these GB horses, the Irish turn up and you've wasted more money than you would have?


Most sensible people will be waiting for NRNB now anyway for anything they're "lumping" on anything, Irish or otherwise.



Over compensating for "no Irish runners" is just as dangerous and not guaranteed to be good value or a good idea. A few permed multi's as Bigfish suggested is the most sensible option if anyone is worried.

Agree. My play on this will be to selectively look at the Irish dominated markets e.g marsh, bumper rsa etc and use these as the basis for gb multiples e.g protektorat, eileendover next destination/TBB

[Istabraq]

Absolutely spot on in my view. Return ALL bets and reform markets would be best for all parties in the short and long run

How would you deal with the money that has been traded on the exchanges and, as there's quite a few in here who benefit from the facility, those who have cashed out bets ?
Might be worth doing a poll on how many people would happily give the bookmakers back any cashout profits made...

[Istabraq]

Monalee in the King George...I think Rooster Boosters post does an excellent job of presenting the wider issues at play on this

It has become standard for some, not all, bookmakers to offer refunds as a gesture, they are not obliged to but do so for marketing purposes only...

[Rhinestone_Cowboy]

It has become standard for some, not all, bookmakers to offer refunds as a gesture, they are not obliged to but do so for marketing purposes only...

Of course I was just showing the idea was not ridiculous.

[Istabraq]

Of course I was just showing the idea was not ridiculous.

Absolutely, in fact it's these 'gestures' that have muddied the waters.

It wasn't that long ago you got 4 places in the National and if your horse spun round under orders you do your money, was accepted by everyone and never was there a word of complaint, these punter friendly gestures can create confusion...

[charlie]

Some good points Rooster Booster. It’s not ridiculous, but I’d be very surprised if they did. I am sure HRI will allow travel so hopefully all of this is irrelevant

[archie]

The situation will be different once the first entries are in. Until then I'd say that it's the punter who will suffer if the Irish aren't able to travel although I'd expect the bigger bookies to make some kind of settlement for the PR. In the larger scheme of things, we aren't really talking about that much money at the moment.
If the Irish are barred after initial entries, I'd expect the BHA to void the original entries and bookies to void all bets made after entries. The BHA would then open the races and take new entries from scratch with bookies making a new book.

The KG isn't really an analogous situation but, as far as the BHA were concerned, I believe that they refunded entry fees for Irish horses that were still in the race when the travel ban was announced. They didn't refund entry fees for those Irish horses who had already been withdrawn.

[Lobos]

How would you deal with the money that has been traded on the exchanges and, as there's quite a few in here who benefit from the facility, those who have cashed out bets ?
Might be worth doing a poll on how many people would happily give the bookmakers back any cashout profits made...

Only live bets Ista.

[Rhinestone_Cowboy]

Some good points Rooster Booster. It’s not ridiculous, but I’d be very surprised if they did. I am sure HRI will allow travel so hopefully all of this is irrelevant

Amen

[Istabraq]

Only live bets Ista.

Then you create an inconsistency, you have already commented that fairness is important but you would accept having bookmakers lose money to bets that have been cashed out ?

[Lobos]

Then you create an inconsistency, you have already commented that fairness is important but you would accept having bookmakers lose money to bets that have been cashed out ?

Yep, because that's a trade completed and both parties happy. It has no bearing whatsoever on what happens at the festival.

[jonthehammer]

Why cant trainers, horses, handlers etc etc all come over 2 weeks earlier and then isolate for those 2 weeks before the festival as a precaution?

Problem solved.

[Lobos]

Why cant trainers, horses, handlers etc etc all come over 2 weeks earlier and then isolate for those 2 weeks before the festival as a precaution?

Problem solved.

Because they may have passed it onto 100"s of people in transit. Hopefully it'll all have eased by then anyway with the news of the vaccine. Admissions to Southmead Hospital where my wife works has dropped again to a fairly low figure which is a great sign.

[Quevega]

Why cant trainers, horses, handlers etc etc all come over 2 weeks earlier and then isolate for those 2 weeks before the festival as a precaution?

Problem solved.

Yep, the EU have advised against travel bans and suggest a more Health regulated system.
Like what already happens most of the time. And what you've mentioned.

Only risk is another pesky new strain pops up immediately prior to the festival, especially if it's in Ireland (and transmitted by Guinness, potatoes or stupid hats)