Mares Chase 2021

[Lobos]

Gordon was contemplating sticking SL in a handicap at the Fez last season so that to is an option for her should they choose to decline her further.

[Ray]

Ay? Surely if you want to win a handicap you have a genuine graded performer (ideally better then shattered love) posing as a handicapper

[hardheld]

Does anyone know if the race conditions have been confirmed With regard to weight and penalty’s? Would PTKO have to carry penalty because she won grade 1 a year ago?

[Dessie the great]

Ay? Surely if you want to win a handicap you have a genuine graded performer (ideally better then shattered love) posing as a handicapper

Id be fairly certain any G1 winner would in the last 12 or 18 months would have to carry a 7-10lbs penalty

[Ray]

Yeah i meant one that hasnt yet ran in those grades races but has a big upward curve in improvement is one you would like for a handicap not one like shattered love

[Istabraq]

Does anyone know if the race conditions have been confirmed With regard to weight and penalty’s? Would PTKO have to carry penalty because she won grade 1 a year ago?

Nope, nothing confirmed, which is why spending any time on this race at this stage is close to pointless for me.
I'm sure the BHA will have liaised with trainers around likely conditions so they are able to consider paths for their horses but as yet nothing has been put out there publically...

[Lobos]

Id be fairly certain any G1 winner would in the last 12 or 18 months would have to carry a 7-10lbs penalty

If that's correct then more good news for Shattered Love as the last Grade 1 she won was in March 18 (JLT).

[Saxon Warrior]

NOTHING IS PUBLISHED YET ABOUT THE MARES CHASE - BUT IT IS IMMINENT
(Should have been by the end of September if the Jockey Club had kept its word


However.......Looking at the Mares Graded races in the last Jump Pattern Racing book for 2019/20 there are very few Graded races (mostly Listed races) at all over hurdles, let alone chases, so the Mares Chase Grade 2 is long overdue.

Page 14 in the programme book is for the Listed and Graded the Mares races for the last season.

https://www.britishhorseracing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Jump-Pattern-Book-2019-20.pdf

The penalty system for the 2 Grade 2 Mares Hurdles in January is

4lb penalty for any Listed or Grade 3 winner, and
6lb penalty for any Grade 2 and Grade 1 winner.
(1/2 penalties for those in Juvenile or Novice races)

This would be for winners after 30 September 2019, based on this information.

So if this were likely to apply to the Mares Chase Grade 2 at the Festival then the penalties could be:

If applied to Listed-up-to-Grade 1 Chases AND Hurdles

This could be the starting point, before future victories occured.

Benie Des Dieux 6lb
Honeysuckle 6lb

Elfile 4lb
Happy Diva 4lb
Shattered Love 4lb

Put The Kettle On 3lb
Salsaretta 3lb

Elimay 2lb
Concertista 2lb
Marie's Rock 2lb
Minella Melody 2lb

Laurina N/A

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However, if penalties were applied ONLY to Chases

This could be the starting point for the season, before any future victories

Happy Diva 4lb
Shattered Love 4lb

Put The Kettle On 3lb
Salsaretta 3lb

Elimay 2lb

Benie Des Dieux N/A
Honeysuckle N/A
Elfile N/A
Concertista N/A
Marie's Rock N/A
Minella Melody N/A
Laurina N/A

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Cunning Plan? (Baldrick)

The differences are big for the likes of BDD and Honeysuckle if penalties are only awarded for chases.

BDD with a history of 3 chases in the past, could run all season over hurdles, avoiding a penalty for this race, then run with 6lb less than any Grade 2 or 1 Chase winner (since 30 Sept 2019).

[archie]

The penalties for the G2 Mares Novice Hurdle are based on race class rather than grade. I believe that Class 1 races are G1, G2, G3 and Listed and all attract the same penalty.

[Saxon Warrior]

The penalties for the G2 Mares Novice Hurdle are based on race class rather than grade. I believe that Class 1 races are G1, G2, G3 and Listed and all attract the same penalty.

Ive got this assessment from looking at the Mares Grade 2 Hurdle (not Novice) at Donny in January.
I thought it may be more accurate than the Mares Novice at Chelters.
As it may be more likely than a Mares Novice Hurdles penalty structure, having viewed both.

Penalties, after September 30th, 2018, a winner of a Listed or Grade 3 hurdle............... 4lb
Of a Grade 1 or Grade 2 hurdle race .................................................. ...................... 6lb
(Half penalties for wins achieved in Novices’ or Juvenile Hurdle Races in Great Britain and Ireland, and
three-year-old only Hurdle Races in France)

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Cheltenham Mares Novice Hurdle structure.

Penalties, a winner of a Class 2 weight-for-age or Class 1 handicap hu.......................... 3lb
Of a Class 1 weight-for-age hurdle race .................................................. ................. 5lb

[archie]

Hard to say but the 3lb and 5lb penalty structure seems to have been applied for the first Mares Hurdle in 2008 which was also a G2.

[Kevloaf]

Patrick Mullins mentioned Concertista may go chasing.

He didn't say anything or even hint that she'd go chasing.



Which is a shame for me, personally - but not unexpected.

[Run4Home]

Concertista at 33/1 would certainly be a nice bet if you knew for sure.
Contemplating whether to play with the cash out option... you'd imagine you could cash worth case at 95% with 365.

[jack1092]

Concertista at 33/1 would certainly be a nice bet if you knew for sure.
Contemplating whether to play with the cash out option... you'd imagine you could cash worth case at 95% with 365.

The trip for Concertista would worry me personally but no doubt she'd be shorted than 33s

[Kevloaf]

Concertista at 33/1 would certainly be a nice bet if you knew for sure.
Contemplating whether to play with the cash out option... you'd imagine you could cash worth case at 95% with 365.

I think they'd suspend it if she got an entry over hurdles though and then you've lost 100%?


If I knew I'd be able to cash out for 95% upon a hurdle entry I would chance it too.