Triumph Hurdle 2021

[Hardy Eustace]

Forgive me HE, but I think you do get it - you even point it out yourself: "In the triumph theres what Tritonic and Z. Who else?"

But if Quilixios rocks uo in the Boodles with a decent 7lb claimer on board there is no Zanahiyr and Tritonic and you can still ask: Who else?

Every single bookie going NRNB make Quilixios favourite for the Boodles (best price 4-1).

And every single bookie going NRNB make Quilixios third favourite in the Triumph (best 11-2).

So the bookies obviously get it.

Gordon gets it.

Even I get it - despite potentially standing to lose more than I gain if Quilixios goes for the Boodles.

There’s at least half a dozen I can give a chance to in the boodles, probably more. You can’t say that about the triumph.

[Hurricane fly]

If Jordan Gainford is worth every lb of his claim why not just run in the Triumph with him on and win a grade 1?

[ComplyOrDie]

If Jordan Gainford is worth every lb of his claim why not just run in the Triumph with him on and win a grade 1?

You can't claim the 7lbs in a Grade 1 though. The 7lbs in the Boodles would be invaluable, or at least that's the angle they seem to be going with.

[Faugheen_Machine]

Cheveley Park have already confirmed Jack Kennedy will be riding Quilixios so doesn't look like they'll be using a claimer if they do go Boodles.

[nortonscoin200]

Cheveley Park have already confirmed Jack Kennedy will be riding Quilixios so doesn't look like they'll be using a claimer if they do go Boodles.

Thought I read a few days ago that Jack intends to ride Glorious Zoff in the Boodles.

And if Quilixios goes for the Triumph and is ridden by Jack who gets to ride Zanahiyr.

Surely it would be pretty extraordinary if the stable jockey didn't ride the favourite in the Triumph but instead piloted a horse who had been removed from that same stable.

Looks as if something is going to have to give wherever Quilixios ends up.

[Quevega]

Be surprising if we don't see him on the Friday now, with a young lady riding him.
Whatever the plan or talk was previously, I'd be surprised if Henry can't ensure this happens.
Right race and right jockey. IMO.

Hoping it gets beat wherever it runs to be honest.
However, I believe it has a better chance in the triumph. It Looks the exact type required.

The handicap route is an interesting consideration, and a brave one from Elliot, as had this happened under his watch, then the pressure to win the handicap would have been immense.
It would also have pissed some of his other owners off a little bit, no doubt.
And I do think the use of conditionals might be a bit more of a thing at Cheltenham this year. But there is nothing to stop other Boodles runners using conditionals to counteract any advantage this may bring.
But I also agree with Archie. It's just that some talented conditionals are probably an edge some trainers and owners will look for.

As to whether Quilixios would have a better chance in the handicap ?
The logic says NO. As theoretically they are all handicapped to finish in a line ,equal first.

It seems perverse to think he's a shoe in, when in most handicaps we would be looking for something that is well-in or capable of a lot more than it's mark. Not just the best horse on ratings.
Although the best horse in the race on ratings, he is obviously handicapped accordingly. And there is a decent chance his mark is actually too high in comparison to others, as juvenile form is very difficult to assess.

To add, this is a juvenile handicap and has to be the hardest one to gauge true ability of each competitor. So even if you think the top weight is potentially 10lb better than what we've seen. You could argue that this is likely the case for several others in the field. There will be very few exposed horses running here, and more than likely several underexposed/hidden.

[Kevloaf]

Who was originally due to ride Zanahiyr, was is Davy or Jack?
Didn't one of them say the other was due to ride it?

[Run4Home]

Who was originally due to ride Zanahiyr, was is Davy or Jack?
Didn't one of them say the other was due to ride it?

Davy indicated he would ride on the FFP
Then Gordon said Jack had the choice after Lep

So sounded as if was always Jacks choice

[Redbridge]

Who was originally due to ride Zanahiyr, was is Davy or Jack?
Didn't one of them say the other was due to ride it?

Davy said it was his second most good thing of his rides.

[Faugheen_Machine]

This is my theory.

Cheveley Park have said Jack can ride Envoi Allen on the proviso that he rides all their other horses at the festival.

He isn't going to turn that opportunity down and therefore he has to get off Zanahiyr and ride Quilixios.

I might be miles off but it's how I'd be negotiating if I was CP.

[Quevega]

This is my theory.

Cheveley Park have said Jack can ride Envoi Allen on the proviso that he rides all their other horses at the festival.

He isn't going to turn that opportunity down and therefore he has to get off Zanahiyr and ride Quilixios.

I might be miles off but it's how I'd be negotiating if I was CP.

Getting soft soaped into running a horse they paid shitloads of money for to run in a handicap for 33k after just winning 75k in a grade 1 doesn't bode well for their negotiating skills and playing hard ball.

A question for everyone on here.
If you owned Quilixios and Gordon approached you to suggest running in the boodles
How many words would he get out before you told him to get fucked ?

I'd have said it just by the look in his shifty eyes. Before he uttered any persuasive shite whatsoever.

[ComplyOrDie]

A question for everyone on here.
If you owned Quilixios and Gordon approached you to suggest running in the boodles
How many words would he get out before you told him to get fucked ?

He'd get the whole sentence out if it was my only horse and it was his/her best chance of a festival winner. Something most of us can only dream of.

If, like Cheveley Park, I had an abundance of talent, where I'm likely to pick up a winner or two anyway then I'd probably be asking him what he was playing at I actually want him in the Boodles though, from a betting perspective

[Kevloaf]

I can only fathom they've been told the horse has no chance of winning the Triumph if Zanahiyr runs.

That kind of statement (which they've been fairly open about without saying it) is not something we've seen from the yard before from what I can recall?

Pouring cold water on a G1 winner after the race, after it got properly smashed up, just doesn't make sense.




With regards to the Boodles, him being top weight, with Jack on, wouldn't put me off. He's not 'a good thing'. The odd thing is that he either does have loads in hand and they're playing it down, or he doesn't, and if he doesn't the Boodles becomes harder to win by default as it's a handicap...and although I am a fan of horses with high ratings earning them and others have to raise their level, that/this isn't a usual Gordon approach for a handicap.


Again, none of it makes sense.



I haven't seen a solid narrative put together yet that's made sense of it for me



The NRNB double was the way I've played it, which I think looked clever, but I feel I'll be trying to convince myself he's a handicap good-thing when in reality I don't see that yet

[Quevega]

He'd get the whole sentence out if it was my only horse and it was his/her best chance of a festival winner. Something most of us can only dream of.

If, like Cheveley Park, I had an abundance of talent, where I'm likely to pick up a winner or two anyway then I'd probably be asking him what he was playing at I actually want him in the Boodles though, from a betting perspective

I think you've missed the point.

[Quevega]

I can only fathom they've been told the horse has no chance of winning the Triumph if Zanahiyr runs.

That kind of statement (which they've been fairly open about without saying it) is not something we've seen from the yard before from what I can recall?

Pouring cold water on a G1 winner after the race, after it got properly smashed up, just doesn't make sense.




With regards to the Boodles, him being top weight, with Jack on, wouldn't put me off. He's not 'a good thing'. The odd thing is that he either does have loads in hand and they're playing it down, or he doesn't, and if he doesn't the Boodles becomes harder to win by default as it's a handicap...and although I am a fan of horses with high ratings earning them and others have to raise their level, that/this isn't a usual Gordon approach for a handicap.


Again, none of it makes sense.



I haven't seen a solid narrative put together yet that's made sense of it for me



The NRNB double was the way I've played it, which I think looked clever, but I feel I'll be trying to convince myself he's a handicap good-thing when in reality I don't see that yet

It's the only logical explanation - that they think so highly of Zanayhir (or have money down on the same).
There is no sense to it really.
Especially the owners appearing to go along with it.