Triumph Hurdle 2021

[Hardy Eustace]

I've better things to do. But I challenge you to a duel to resolve your issue with me. Such fun. A head to head tipping contest over Christmas. Your rules boss man.

Who is the more ignorant tipster - now there's a competition I could get behind!!

[Kevloaf]

I've better things to do. But I challenge you to a duel to resolve your issue with me. Such fun. A head to head tipping contest over Christmas. Your rules boss man.

Haha, beating my in a duel wouldn't get you off the hook. Pun intended.

You have been registered for almost 3 years, you know what you're doing... post up your diary, so we can all appreciate that big swinging dick that you say you aren't waving about. I'm always striving to get better, sounds like you can help!



This goes for literally everybody, you don't have to post your diary, but if you don't, your opinions may lack credibility and if you are intent on making such bold statements, be prepared to have to back them up and receive questions and scrutiny on them.

[Rooster Booster]

I have read the posts perhaps without fully absorbing every minutiae but am a little intrigued that Bigfish approach has triggered such emotion from folks. Don’t get me wrong the emotion is quite compelling but does come across as though there is a need or obligation to right a wrong. One thing I have learnt over time with gambling is that it’s different strokes for different folks and all of us should be free to march to our own drummer. The art versus science spectrum is vast and there is plenty of room for all of us and that includes folks that claim opinions as facts, that make up their own ratings, that feel so intuitive about a horse that they find it easier to block out all other noise even when for the majority of us understanding and analysing that ‘noise’ is the very essence of what makes us successful as a gambler. In many walks of life we are measured by results not by how we got there. I believe I can learn from anybody in this game, particulalrly anybody telling me they make a consistent profit and I can possibly learn the most from those that do things in ways that are completely counter intuitive to how I do things. Every time Bigfish has posted it has made me think twice as he or she is so adamant and unwavering that I may dig into things that I wouldn’t have done otherwise. I am so ridiculously open minded about stuff that having a dose of his/her certainty (however illogical or counter intuitive) may add some value to me.

[Kevloaf]

I have read the posts perhaps without fully absorbing every minutiae but am a little intrigued that Bigfish approach has triggered such emotion from folks. Don’t get me wrong the emotion is quite compelling but does come across as though there is a need or obligation to right a wrong. One thing I have learnt over time with gambling is that it’s different strokes for different folks and all of us should be free to march to our own drummer. The art versus science spectrum is vast and there is plenty of room for all of us and that includes folks that claim opinions as facts, that make up their own ratings, that feel so intuitive about a horse that they find it easier to block out all other noise even when for the majority of us understanding and analysing that ‘noise’ is the very essence of what makes us successful as a gambler. In many walks of life we are measured by results not by how we got there. I believe I can learn from anybody in this game, particulalrly anybody telling me they make a consistent profit and I can possibly learn the most from those that do things in ways that are completely counter intuitive to how I do things. Every time Bigfish has posted it has made me think twice as he or she is so adamant and unwavering that I may dig into things that I wouldn’t have done otherwise. I am so ridiculously open minded about stuff that having a dose of his/her certainty (however illogical or counter intuitive) may add some value to me.

The bit in bold needs to be accounted for somehow doesn't it?

Anybody could create an account and after time and say they have certain prices and they've made X amount of money for X amount of years.

Everything you say is true, it can definitely add value, and therefore people should be questioned and probed on their methods to see how we can learn.

If you read Spectre's diary, it's an example of exactly how the forum reacts to somebody coming in and sharing their method.

There are right and wrong ways to do things...... just look at the Arke thread for how not to go about it, and then you'll see why it gets people emotive

[Bigfish]

How do I cut ,copy and paste all of my bets from my WH and LADs accounts? Without showing real monetary values.

[Bigfish]

It would take too long to do manually and I havent got the patience.

[Quevega]

It's use of the words "plain ignorant" I take issue with - it's a pretty emotive phrase and I don't feel it's justified in this context.

I think it's fair to say that people are different, in many ways.
And what is offensive or justified to some is not so much for others.

I've said this before, but when someone is offended, that is usually a natural reaction and cannot be helped (although some make a career out of it )

But being offended or feeling something is unjustified doesn't mean you're right, and it doesn't always mean that the individual who triggered or caused the offence is wrong either.

Like myself, and many others, Kev can be forthright, and will not always choose the best words to get a point across during a debate or when questioning someone's comment or approach to ante-post betting.

But that's debating and communication.

And of course, your questioning of Kev's approach is perfectly valid.
Although like in the other example, and as Kev has intimated, there will often be other context and past comments that will likely have been taken into account, particularly from those that are sad enough to hang around on here most days and read almost every post.

But I'm pretty sure no offence was intended in this instance.

And the original 'Bigfish' comment on it's own could easily be interpreted as ignorant, to some degree at least.

[Quevega]

I have read the posts perhaps without fully absorbing every minutiae but am a little intrigued that Bigfish approach has triggered such emotion from folks. Don’t get me wrong the emotion is quite compelling but does come across as though there is a need or obligation to right a wrong. One thing I have learnt over time with gambling is that it’s different strokes for different folks and all of us should be free to march to our own drummer. The art versus science spectrum is vast and there is plenty of room for all of us and that includes folks that claim opinions as facts, that make up their own ratings, that feel so intuitive about a horse that they find it easier to block out all other noise even when for the majority of us understanding and analysing that ‘noise’ is the very essence of what makes us successful as a gambler. In many walks of life we are measured by results not by how we got there. I believe I can learn from anybody in this game, particulalrly anybody telling me they make a consistent profit and I can possibly learn the most from those that do things in ways that are completely counter intuitive to how I do things. Every time Bigfish has posted it has made me think twice as he or she is so adamant and unwavering that I may dig into things that I wouldn’t have done otherwise. I am so ridiculously open minded about stuff that having a dose of his/her certainty (however illogical or counter intuitive) may add some value to me.

I too, am very open to listening to all people's opinions and methods etc.
It's very important to always be open to learning new things.
So I pretty much agree with you here.

Except for the bit in bold.

Is there such a thing (apart from the band) as art vs science ?
And folks that claim opinion as fact are very dangerous.

[Quevega]

The system I use has been developed by me and before that my Dad over 40 years of study and its very detailed and complicated but user friendly.
Its basically a graph and slide rule.Where the winners come from and using historical examples as future form. I never ignore the obvious. I take everything into consideration particularly rpr errors. Adding or subtracting for ease of win, blunders , going, L/R handed preference, fitness etc. A performance can be marked up or down.
I am successful enough to make a profit for my effort and time but don't really have to swing my dick about it.
I've done multiple exotic bets and multis including Zanahiyr , Quixilios and other fancied Triumph runners.
However , its Nassalam for me .

Definitely not Matt Mitter then ?

Cheers for the summary, I appreciate you wouldn't be able/arsed to lay it all out.
If I had a rating system I wouldn't either.

The only question I'd ask of you, for someone with a 'good' record and clearly confident in the strategies in place.
Taking into account other comments I've seen you make.

Why are you so firm on some selections chances when we are less than half way through the season, and so many winners/graded races yet to come ?
Is this normal for you ?

[Bigfish]

Of course my posts are my opinions only and not facts. I'm the the person typing... and I am not a saddo, far from it. I juggle this forum with making merry in early comfortable retirement. Thankyou..

[Rooster Booster]

The bit in bold needs to be accounted for somehow doesn't it?

Anybody could create an account and after time and say they have certain prices and they've made X amount of money for X amount of years.

Everything you say is true, it can definitely add value, and therefore people should be questioned and probed on their methods to see how we can learn.

If you read Spectre's diary, it's an example of exactly how the forum reacts to somebody coming in and sharing their method.

There are right and wrong ways to do things...... just look at the Arke thread for how not to go about it, and then you'll see why it gets people emotive

Re accountability. It’s not overly important for me but that’s just a personal trait of mine. Each to their own. I have made a record of his statements and will note with interest how the horses do and that will be the measure of success or accountability if you like. If he/she gets Shishkin beat by one of blackbow or allmankind for example and does this kind of thing on a regular basis it’s just possible I will stop caring about his methods and focus only on the results.

I get the bit about how not to go about it and I understand there are wider implications which I fully support.

[Rooster Booster]

I too, am very open to listening to all people's opinions and methods etc.
It's very important to always be open to learning new things.
So I pretty much agree with you here.

Except for the bit in bold.

Is there such a thing (apart from the band) as art vs science ?
And folks that claim opinion as fact are very dangerous.

Like all of us I encounter folks in all walks of life that do this. Truthfully they annoy the hell out of me but I try and look beyond that and try and understand why they have such conviction and after asking some questions often find I have learnt something so to me it’s more likely to be dangerous if unexplored.

[Quevega]

Like all of us I encounter folks in all walks of life that do this. Truthfully they annoy the hell out of me but I try and look beyond that and try and understand why they have such conviction and after asking some questions often find I have learnt something so to me it’s more likely to be dangerous if unexplored.

Totally agree.
It's definitely dangerous to completely ignore.

[Kautostar]

Heross du seuil has an entry at kempton on the 27th

[jack1092]

You talk a lot about lengths beaten or won by.
Is this your ratings system, as 157 seems suspiciously like it's that simple for you.

There is a guy on internet - Matt Mitter, who runs a a site called Value rater racing club.
He seems to be doing quite well, and good on him.

When he first came onto the scene he had his own rating system that was so basic I could not believe he got any sort of credibility whatsoever.
He essentially rated horses by how many lengths they beat another one by etc etc, and took virtually nothing else into account.

Now he may have advanced his system since, but I wouldn't know cos I've not seen anything he's involved in.
But when he was trying to make a name for himself and I caught him on the odd youtube thing, he was quite literally full of shit. IMO

Haha i remember coming across him, ended up watching him on betracingnation or whatever it was for giggles.