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Triumph Hurdle 2021

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  • Didn't seem to be any real excuses for Paros - prime position to strike from two out but found reverse rear pretty quickly.

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    • Pulled way too hard, not sure he was good enough anyway. Dont think Gordon will lose too much sleep about that one. Maybe he didnt like the gound

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      • Sandown does get more than its fair share of beaten odd-on favourites in juvenile hurdles...

        Since 2008/09, there have been twelve Nicky Henderson imports from French hurdles who were beaten on their debuts (nineteen won first time). Of that twelve, only Grandouet (beaten in the Wensleydale) finished in the first ten in a Grade One that season and Monte Cristo was the only other subsequent winner.

        Henderson was specifically waiting for soft ground which rather negates the ground theory. Paros missed two engagements at Wetherby and Newcastle prior to this and he did not travel anywhere near as well as he had on his debut at Dieppe. Whatever the reason for his defeat, it would be difficult to have much confidence in him going forward.

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        • Nassalam has a non-event race today where he should win a wide margin again.

          Will the bookies clip him despite this being a walkover?


          Another wide margin win and will people start comparing him Goshen?

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          • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
            Nassalam has a non-event race today where he should win a wide margin again.

            Will the bookies clip him despite this being a walkover?


            Another wide margin win and will people start comparing him Goshen?
            They'll obviously clip him, you know the bookmakers by now Kev

            I believe he's actually quite well thought of, same owner and sire as Botox Has. That said, what he does today should have no bearing on his festival prospects, unless losing of course, as the opposition is less than average, at best, on what they've shown to date.

            Unlike Kotkijet, I actually don't think there is much wrong with the pedigree side of things either.
            Last edited by ComplyOrDie; 8 December 2020, 10:38 AM.

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            • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

              They'll obviously clip him, you know the bookmakers by now Kev

              I believe he's actually quite well thought of, same owner and sire as Botox Has. That said, what he does today should have no bearing on his festival prospects, unless losing of course, as the opposition is less than average, at best, on what they've shown to date.

              Unlike Kotkijet, I actually don't think there is much wrong with the pedigree side of things either.
              It’s a shame the Nicholls horse is a non runner really. Would’ve made it slightly more of a contest

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              • As to be expected, as he is 1/10 to win today, Nassalam is blue across the board for the Triumph. I suspect another cut will be imminent should he do the business today.

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                • ...and so the Goshen comparisons begin!

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                  • Well that was impressive - I don’t care of he didn’t beat much. Passed the eye test!

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                    • You can't get too excited about the manner of victory by Nassalam there because of the lack of opposition, but he is a real galloping type, just relentless. On another positive note, he jumps slightly left handed which will be absolutely fine at Cheltenham.

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                      • Originally posted by Ballyfitz View Post
                        ...and so the Goshen comparisons begin!
                        Pretty much the opposite of Goshen too. Nassalam jumps left handed, he's not so much a speedy type horse, he's not keen, more of a galloping type, and certainly more versatile (didn't need to lead LTO), IMO.

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                        • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
                          You can't get too excited about the manner of victory by Nassalam there because of the lack of opposition, but he is a real galloping type, just relentless. On another positive note, he jumps slightly left handed which will be absolutely fine at Cheltenham.
                          That's not positive, it's just not a big negative.

                          Jumping straight is a positive.

                          Going left still loses some time. I feel that gets missed sometimes.

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                          • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post

                            That's not positive, it's just not a big negative.

                            Jumping straight is a positive.

                            Going left still loses some time. I feel that gets missed sometimes.
                            A lot was made of horses like Getabird, Asterion Forlonge & Goshen jumping right being a big negative prior to the festival, in Getabirds case, and Asterion Forlonges it certainly cost them any chance. I'd rather be jumping left handed than right handed, and as I noted it was only slightly, which isn't the end of the world for a juvenile, as a lot of younger horses have a tendency to not jump true and straight.

                            Nassalams jumping is absolutely fine, there, I said it

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                            • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

                              A lot was made of horses like Getabird, Asterion Forlonge & Goshen jumping right being a big negative prior to the festival, in Getabirds case, and Asterion Forlonges it certainly cost them any chance. I'd rather be jumping left handed than right handed, and as I noted it was only slightly, which isn't the end of the world for a juvenile, as a lot of younger horses have a tendency to not jump true and straight.

                              Nassalams jumping is absolutely fine, there, I said it
                              Most positive thing about Nassalam is that he's clearly not 3 years old.
                              He has a beard and everything.
                              He looks fully grown to me.

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                              • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
                                Unlike Kotkijet, I actually don't think there is much wrong with the pedigree side of things either.
                                Dream Well whose record with juveniles is well above average on both sides of the channel. Shirocco has also made a fine start as a damsire in the division and Nassalam can count the useful filly Msassa as his half sister and his dam was a sibling of winning hurdler Mountain Fighter

                                I know that tone and intent can often be difficult to convey by text, but my opinion of Nassalam's pedigree is a positive one. If I am tilting at windmills here and you're talking about the horse Kotkijet, then I can assure you that it is nothing to be sniffed at



                                While I am unsure if such a joke warrants such a large sized image, it does serve as a nice advert for http://galopp-sieger.de/ which is a fantastic resource. The jumps form is patchy compared to the comprehensive nature of the flat information, but it is still a very handy tool.

                                As for Nassalam today, he beat the best part of nothing but he couldn't have done it easier. He does have a tendency to run down his flights but didn't Goshen do the same thing last season or is my memory failing me?

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