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Triumph Hurdle 2021

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  • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post

    I didn't even look at the cards as I rarely find festival winners at Fontwell. However, is it just the loose connection with Goshen that makes him appealing or is there some substance there too?
    Too early to say but the ease of it coupled with the speed figure he would of won the C3 hcap hurdle on the card yday.

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    • Originally posted by Outlaw View Post

      Too early to say but the ease of it coupled with the speed figure he would of won the C3 hcap hurdle on the card yday.
      I'll try and delve a little deeper

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      • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post

        Kotkijet knows his onions when it comes to juveniles but I'm not about to hand him my bank to select my horses for me - I like my losers to be selected by myself
        That's a fair point Jackie. I'm much the same.
        Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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        • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post

          I'll try and delve a little deeper
          Let us know the outcome - was very interested in this lad!

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          • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post

            I'll try and delve a little deeper
            I'll write up the splits & conpartives tonight if you want? Got them saved into Kinovea but won't be until this evening.

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            • Originally posted by Outlaw View Post

              I'll write up the splits & conpartives tonight if you want? Got them saved into Kinovea but won't be until this evening.
              Might even do it vs Goshens Fontwell facile victory last year albeit different ground & marginally different yardage even thou different days is of little actual use.

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              • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post

                I didn't even look at the cards as I rarely find festival winners at Fontwell. However, is it just the loose connection with Goshen that makes him appealing or is there some substance there too?
                Substance, is what I've been told.

                Same owner who has Botox Has, who I was told would have been Triumph bound if it wasn't for Goshen. Nassalam finished not far behind Hemevoici on hurdles debut in France, who then ran in a race that has produced the best Juvenile in France so far this season, Theleme. Nassalam has the potential to be very very good, whether Goshen level, I'm honestly not sure, but I believe the yard think so.

                On the breeding side he's by the sire of Botox Has, but also Klassical Dream (festival winner), and his Dams Sire produced progeny like festival winners, Annie Power and Minella Rocco, which would add weight to his staying ability, usually required for a Triumph.

                Also worth noting his time yesterday was less than 6 seconds slower than Goshen last season, racing on 'Heavy' as opposed to 'Soft' ground that Goshen encountered.

                It's very early days, and I don't think he had an awful lot to beat, though Shentri, of Dan Skeltons, was very much more experienced and a multiple winner in France.

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                • Originally posted by Outlaw View Post

                  I'll write up the splits & conpartives tonight if you want? Got them saved into Kinovea but won't be until this evening.
                  Everything angle is good to have

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                  • Sounds like a good thing to me. Juice in that 25/1

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                    • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

                      Substance, is what I've been told.

                      Same owner who has Botox Has, who I was told would have been Triumph bound if it wasn't for Goshen. Nassalam finished not far behind Hemevoici on hurdles debut in France, who then ran in a race that has produced the best Juvenile in France so far this season, Theleme. Nassalam has the potential to be very very good, whether Goshen level, I'm honestly not sure, but I believe the yard think so.

                      On the breeding side he's by the sire of Botox Has, but also Klassical Dream (festival winner), and his Dams Sire produced progeny like festival winners, Annie Power and Minella Rocco, which would add weight to his staying ability, usually required for a Triumph.

                      Also worth noting his time yesterday was less than 6 seconds slower than Goshen last season, racing on 'Heavy' as opposed to 'Soft' ground that Goshen encountered.

                      It's very early days, and I don't think he had an awful lot to beat, though Shentri, of Dan Skeltons, was very much more experienced and a multiple winner in France.
                      I thought Nassalam would be more a Boodles horse than Triumph. I think the connection with Goshen apart from same trainer is that the race at Fontwell was Goshen’s first race for Gary Moore? I’m sure that was mentioned by the race commentator mid race

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                      • All I have backed in the Triumph is Quilixios

                        Of the rest the main ones thinking of backing , depending on entries etc would be
                        • Heross Du Seuil
                        • Saint Sam
                        • Bring on the Night

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                        • Originally posted by The King Pimm View Post

                          I thought Nassalam would be more a Boodles horse than Triumph. I think the connection with Goshen apart from same trainer is that the race at Fontwell was Goshen’s first race for Gary Moore? I’m sure that was mentioned by the race commentator mid race
                          He could also end up there depending how his racing goes from here on out. I just know he is thought very highly of. It was Goshens first run over hurdles for Gary, as it was Nassalams, but I wouldn't read too much into all of that. Comparing one with the other is unfair, and not a logical way to backing a horse.

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                          • Originally posted by Crolwey113 View Post
                            All I have backed in the Triumph is Quilixios

                            Of the rest the main ones thinking of backing , depending on entries etc would be
                            • Heross Du Seuil
                            • Saint Sam
                            • Bring on the Night
                            Bring On The Night could be one that he aims high on debut and if he doesn't win, retain his novice status for next season.

                            BRING ON THE NIGHT
                            He's a three-year-old that we got from Andre Fabre earlier in the season. He's a nice type of horse that I think we'll only bring out in the second half of the season.

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                            • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post

                              Bring On The Night could be one that he aims high on debut and if he doesn't win, retain his novice status for next season.

                              BRING ON THE NIGHT
                              He's a three-year-old that we got from Andre Fabre earlier in the season. He's a nice type of horse that I think we'll only bring out in the second half of the season.
                              Coming out in the second half of the season is no major issue I guess. Pentland Hills won the Triumph after only appearing over hurdles for the first time in February

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                              • The one point on Heross is Hendo has said may run in bumpers, so would await an entry first

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