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  • Went off 2/5 because of stratum being a non runner and still lost despite his "class" edge

    It appears he's one of those horses that runs well in high grade and in low grade but decides 2nd or 3rd is good enough

    In other words hes a yak hahaha

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    • Strange one isn't he.

      Interesting stuff from the stewards with regards Stratum as well. Mullins crying about it but I think I make them right to be honest. If I'd had a serious bet on a short priced horse expecting Townend to be riding and then a jockey I'd barely heard of came in for him I'd be a bit pissed

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      • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post
        Went off 2/5 because of stratum being a non runner and still lost despite his "class" edge

        It appears he's one of those horses that runs well in high grade and in low grade but decides 2nd or 3rd is good enough

        In other words hes a yak hahaha
        He'll win a big pot at 50/1 when everyone is sick from backing him

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        • Originally posted by That Horse View Post

          He'll win a big pot at 50/1 when everyone is sick from backing him
          Yeah I agree, way too much ability to not have a big win in him.
          I saw FFs post last night and thought seriously about rolling him up with something, hope those who played weren’t heavily burnt…

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          • Originally posted by Istabraq View Post

            Yeah I agree, way too much ability to not have a big win in him.
            I saw FFs post last night and thought seriously about rolling him up with something, hope those who played weren’t heavily burnt…
            The logic behind the bet was almost too obvious

            Betting is never that easy

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            • Originally posted by Benjy23 View Post
              Interesting stuff from the stewards with regards Stratum as well. Mullins crying about it but I think I make them right to be honest. If I'd had a serious bet on a short priced horse expecting Townend to be riding and then a jockey I'd barely heard of came in for him I'd be a bit pissed
              Could not disagree more. Stewards telling connections who should or should not ride their horse is completely wrong. It was known for 24 hours that PT would not be riding Stratum so it's most unlikely that any chunky bets were had.

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              • Originally posted by archie View Post

                Could not disagree more. Stewards telling connections who should or should not ride their horse is completely wrong. It was known for 24 hours that PT would not be riding Stratum so it's most unlikely that any chunky bets were had.
                24 hours, so why suddenly decide to stick a claimer on? Sounds like they had ample time to get a jockey that wouldn't be claiming weight, or if standing in for an injured jockey then claimers shouldn't be able to claim? Seems simple to me, maybe too simple?

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                • Claimers claim for a reason. It's not for amateur stewards to tell the champion trainer who he should employ. By all means have him in if there are unnatural betting patterns but there weren't.

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                  • Originally posted by archie View Post
                    Claimers claim for a reason. It's not for amateur stewards to tell the champion trainer who he should employ. By all means have him in if there are unnatural betting patterns but there weren't.
                    It's not the stewards though is it, it's literally a rule in the IHRB rulebook which the stewards are just enforcing on the day. Whether they are 'amateur' or not is irrelevant, they read the rules and applied them as they should and which Willie knew but was being stubborn on it.
                    He was given hours to change it but refused even though had numerous jockeys there he could of used.

                    Granted the rule exists to stop the opposite a senior rider coming in for a ride it's still a rule (right or wrong) which is why Callaghan was never going to be allowed take the ride as isn't a 'like for like' with a claim.
                    Last edited by Run4Home; 2 August 2022, 12:20 PM.

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                    • The claim is there to make it like for like.

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                      • Originally posted by archie View Post
                        The claim is there to make it like for like.
                        Yeah I agree with Archie
                        how far do the stewards take it with the like for like rule anyway.
                        who’s as good as Townend and in who’s opinion ?
                        connections should be able to choose, full stop.

                        punters always have the risk of jockey changing or ground etc so this is nothing new. It’s an bc acceptable risk.

                        im not even sure if I agree with the rule the other way round either unless it’s accompanied with ropey betting patterns



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                        • Originally posted by archie View Post
                          The claim is there to make it like for like.
                          What about if it was an amateur rather than a claimer then?

                          Thought it'd make for an interesting discussion and split a few people

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                          • I get irrationally annoyed when people say the conditional allowance makes a horse better handicapped and I'm more than happy to go with the argument that, on average, using a conditional is also not a negative. If they don't consider it like for like, the stewards are effectively saying that they know better than the champion trainer and those who set the allowances.

                            Anyone who knows him will be aware that Willie is totally driven by winning money and the big races. It's ludicrous to question his professional opinion and the stewards have effectively shot racing at Mallow in both feet. A good number of racegoers would have gone along to see the feature race and it already had a couple of non-runners. To inflict another on their long suffering audience was crass and badly thought out.

                            They are not enforcing a rule, they are interpreting it to look big.
                            Last edited by archie; 2 August 2022, 06:28 PM.

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                            • The stewarding in both Britain and Ireland is sub standard and needs to be completely scrapped and start again with a centralised system

                              But that won't happen because the stewards are probably friends with people in high places

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                              • I get what you're saying about the claim being due to the jockey like. I don't think that's the issue here though. I think it's the lack of experience of the jockey that's the issue.

                                Otherwise I'd see it as a positive to any bet like.

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