Cheltenham Festival Roll-Ups

[Rhinestone_Cowboy]

For me it’s all about the magic ‘V’ word with a capital V. If you think you have spotted it I would suggest you back the single outright then a small stakes double with a Cheltenham horse of your fancy. What I struggle with a bit on this thread is when people talk about using a shorty to increase the price of a Cheltenham horse. I personally don’t think that’s the point as if there is no value in the shorties price (and there is usually a lot less value to be found at the head of the market) I wouldn’t want it in any sort of bet as in the long run it will cost you money.

[Middle_Of_March]

But I make that clever Kev, using these certainties is exactly what a roll up should be, you are only looking to boost the price of a Cheltenham fancy no ?
8/1 to 9.5/1 is still a 16% boost so you've successfully secured increased value on Ferny Hollow.

Try one with Envoi Allen I swear it'll get chinned !

Absolutely agree.

My two rollups this year we’re NFL certainties (in my head) and both were around 4/9. Quite happy with that.

If you have Envoi at 9/4 but roll him up with 6 football matches and he becomes the last leg of an acca at 37/1... does that really count as a Rollup? The bigger risk is the bet losing (clearly) pre-envoi’s leg.

This whole rollup business and people claiming massive prices all seems a bit unnecessary to me. But hey ho.

[Middle_Of_March]

For me it’s all about the magic ‘V’ word with a capital V. If you think you have spotted it I would suggest you back the single outright then a small stakes double with a Cheltenham horse of your fancy. What I struggle with a bit on this thread is when people talk about using a shorty to increase the price of a Cheltenham horse. I personally don’t think that’s the point as if there is no value in the shorties price (and there is usually a lot less value to be found at the head of the market) I wouldn’t want it in any sort of bet as in the long run it will cost you money.

Disagree. There’s value in some shorties. You’ve just got to patient and find it. Even if that takes months. Some of the Carribean cricket punts on here at around 4/6 were clearly value. One of the trinbago 4/6 shots was a genuine 1/3 poke. Just takes time looking for it. Likewise getting Shishkin the other day to boost Ferny Hollow was a good idea for a rollup. Use the genuine bankers to boost Cheltenham horses.

Doing random footy accas to boost horses isn’t really the point though.

[charlie]

Coventry BTTS
Boro
Millwall v Reading +2.5 goals
Shishkin

1pt @ 27/1

[Quevega]

I?ve done some roll-ups to fill some gaps in my book using Rainbow Bridge at Grenville 9/2 and Knock On Steel at Tramore 6/1 (now 3/1). I?ll post in my diary later when I get time.

Did these Roll ups get missed Spectre.

Apologies for checking up, cos I'm not that arsed.
But I remembered this post as I not only watched the South African race, I also backed the Tramore horse.

If anything, at least it might make some of the less successful Roller uppers feel a bit better.

[Craigy14]

It shouldn’t matter what people do as roll ups, I don’t understand why there has to be negative points to how people ‘roll up’ a cheltenham horse. Whether it’s football, racing, whatever.

For me it has always been about enhancing the price of a cheltenham horse that is too short in my money and most peoples money at the start of the season to have a decent bet as a single.

In no way do I think I’ve got a better price on a horse should the roll up opportunities land prior to the Cheltenham horse.

Ive got Shishkin and Envoi Allen both at odds that work out over 50/1. I don’t look at it and think I got both horses at 50/1+ that’s just stupid isn’t it. But the end result I’ll be delighted if both or either come in having ‘boosted’ there odds when too short for a single.

[Rhinestone_Cowboy]

Disagree. There’s value in some shorties. You’ve just got to patient and find it. Even if that takes months. Some of the Carribean cricket punts on here at around 4/6 were clearly value. One of the trinbago 4/6 shots was a genuine 1/3 poke. Just takes time looking for it. Likewise getting Shishkin the other day to boost Ferny Hollow was a good idea for a rollup. Use the genuine bankers to boost Cheltenham horses.

Doing random footy accas to boost horses isn’t really the point though.

Don’t dispute that MoM, of course value can be found in shorter price ones but it’s much harder to find. Also the amount of short priced ones people put up on here I’m personally not convinced there is much value in many of them.

[somer1]

Gone with some footie bets going on to the Foxhunters.......
Liverpool,Ajax,Atletico Mad,B Munich,Porto all to win with Billaway 7/1
And
Liverpool,Ajax,Atletico Mad,B Munich all to win with It Came To Pass 10/1
All with Coral.

[Rhinestone_Cowboy]

It shouldn’t matter what people do as roll ups, I don’t understand why there has to be negative points to how people ‘roll up’ a cheltenham horse. Whether it’s football, racing, whatever.

For me it has always been about enhancing the price of a cheltenham horse that is too short in my money and most peoples money at the start of the season to have a decent bet as a single.

In no way do I think I’ve got a better price on a horse should the roll up opportunities land prior to the Cheltenham horse.

Ive got Shishkin and Envoi Allen both at odds that work out over 50/1. I don’t look at it and think I got both horses at 50/1+ that’s just stupid isn’t it. But the end result I’ll be delighted if both or either come in having ‘boosted’ there odds when too short for a single.

People are of course free to back what they like. I just wanted to put forward a counter narrative to the i’ll boost the Cheltenham horse price by doubling it with a long odds on shot as I think it can promote muggy bets. If somebody makes a case why something is overpriced then game on irrespective of whether it is short priced or not.

[Faugheen_Machine]

It shouldn’t matter what people do as roll ups, I don’t understand why there has to be negative points to how people ‘roll up’ a cheltenham horse. Whether it’s football, racing, whatever.

For me it has always been about enhancing the price of a cheltenham horse that is too short in my money and most peoples money at the start of the season to have a decent bet as a single.

In no way do I think I’ve got a better price on a horse should the roll up opportunities land prior to the Cheltenham horse.

Ive got Shishkin and Envoi Allen both at odds that work out over 50/1. I don’t look at it and think I got both horses at 50/1+ that’s just stupid isn’t it. But the end result I’ll be delighted if both or either come in having ‘boosted’ there odds when too short for a single.

I'm not bothered what others do with roll ups but RC's point is valid. If you are rolling up a horse that is under priced with other selections that are under priced, then you can't make money long term. In fact, it'll be a costly exercise.

MoM is also right too - that there can still be over priced selections at the head of the market, it's just a case of identifying it.

Having said that, betting should be fun though and if people are getting enjoyment out of any betting then surely that's a good thing.

[Spectre]

Did these Roll ups get missed Spectre.

Apologies for checking up, cos I'm not that arsed.
But I remembered this post as I not only watched the South African race, I also backed the Tramore horse.

If anything, at least it might make some of the less successful Roller uppers feel a bit better.

Thanks Q. I’m glad you did. You’ve answered something that had been nagging away at me. I’ve just spent close to an hour fruitlessly trying to find these in my betting accounts, until I just realised the date was the first week of my holiday and I was abroad. I asked someone that I collaborate with to put them on while I was away and transferred the money. I didn’t update because they weren’t in my accounts. I hadn’t updated my excel records either. Fortunately I sent a WhatsApp message to ask him to put them on, and I’ve found the message from looking for the post you highlighted, and I can see the bets I asked him to put on.

FWIW I tried to connect both horses to Easysland, Epatante, and Abracadabras. I’ll update my diary to reflect it.

[OverTheLast]

People need to get out more if they get annoyed/offended at how people want to try boost odds on a fancy for Cheltenham.

[Kevloaf]

People are of course free to back what they like. I just wanted to put forward a counter narrative to the i’ll boost the Cheltenham horse price by doubling it with a long odds on shot as I think it can promote muggy bets. If somebody makes a case why something is overpriced then game on irrespective of whether it is short priced or not.

Specifically then, what did you think of that Shishkin 1/6 with Ferny Hollow then taking him from 8/1 to 9.5/1?


I won't be offended I promise

[Faugheen_Machine]

People need to get out more if they get annoyed/offended at how people want to try boost odds on a fancy for Cheltenham.

Not sure anyone on here is annoyed or offended, or have I missed something?

[Faugheen_Machine]

Specifically then, what did you think of that Shishkin 1/6 with Ferny Hollow then taking him from 8/1 to 9.5/1?


I won't be offended I promise

He should have been 1/16 so outstanding value