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If you placed 10 pound ew and the football bet was evens, and your horse was 16/1 (1/4 odds, for simplicity). It would work out as follow:
1. Win part (Football bet wins and horse wins): 2.0 x 17.0 x 10 = 340 (plus place money below)
2. Place part (Football bet wins, horse places): 2.0 x 5.0 x 10 = 100
3. Football bet loses and you lose your 20 pound
I think that's correct.
Wouldn't surprise me if the horse places if they only allow a fraction/place odds to carry over from the win bet. Although without this being stated 1/2 1/3 or 1/4 whatever, it's a tricky one.
Someone must know cos it will have happened with a four runner race at some point (when you've backed in an each way double but non runners end up with a win only in the first leg)
I’m chancing rolling up Bob Olinger (Marsh) with Midnight Run tomorrow in the second at Fairyhouse!
It looks a hot beginners Chase but 9/1 may be underestimating MR a shade, he ran Captain Guinness fairly close at the back end of last year & being a second season novice has plenty of experience over most of the field. Joseph has been going quite well of late too
Not an original selection but I’m dead keen on Bristol de Mai for the Betfair Chase, think a plus tard is a bad favourite. APT has been a beaten fav on his last 3 seasonal bows no, against much lesser opposition than he will face in the grade 1 this weekend as well. Seems henry has left a bit to work on with a lot of his good ones prior to their seasonal reappearances too. On the other hand, this weekend is BDMs gold cup and he will have been trained for it as such; if you believe in RPRs he has never ran to a level below 170 around haydock (in 5 runs) since graduating out of novice company. Negatives are he’s now 10, and the conditions are looking unlikely to be worse than good to soft, however I think APT will be a fair way from fully wound up and while next destination would be my pick of the rest of the bunch based on his national hunt chase form but I think they’ve all got a big step forward to take to get BDM beat even if he can’t run to the level he did last year. Plus barring any disaster he’s nailed on to run. Make him a bet at 3/1 and think I might double him up with 2 or 3 festival fancies, need to get my record with these back on track for the season
Not an original selection but I’m dead keen on Bristol de Mai for the Betfair Chase, think a plus tard is a bad favourite. APT has been a beaten fav on his last 3 seasonal bows no, against much lesser opposition than he will face in the grade 1 this weekend as well. Seems henry has left a bit to work on with a lot of his good ones prior to their seasonal reappearances too. On the other hand, this weekend is BDMs gold cup and he will have been trained for it as such; if you believe in RPRs he has never ran to a level below 170 around haydock (in 5 runs) since graduating out of novice company. Negatives are he’s now 10, and the conditions are looking unlikely to be worse than good to soft, however I think APT will be a fair way from fully wound up and while next destination would be my pick of the rest of the bunch based on his national hunt chase form but I think they’ve all got a big step forward to take to get BDM beat even if he can’t run to the level he did last year. Plus barring any disaster he’s nailed on to run. Make him a bet at 3/1 and think I might double him up with 2 or 3 festival fancies, need to get my record with these back on track for the season
Whilst you’ve been writing this Tonic, I’ve literally just looked at the Betfair Chase market & thought Next Destination’s the bet in it at 6s & used that to roll up for a few speculative doubles for the Festival. Nicholls is firing at present & Next Destination is due to win a big one; this could be it as you’ve stated against an ageing BDM & pretty open race by the looks of it with many question marks. I’ve doubled him up with Allaho for the Ryanair & Commander of Fleet for the Pertemps randomly.
Not an original selection but I’m dead keen on Bristol de Mai for the Betfair Chase, think a plus tard is a bad favourite. APT has been a beaten fav on his last 3 seasonal bows no, against much lesser opposition than he will face in the grade 1 this weekend as well. Seems henry has left a bit to work on with a lot of his good ones prior to their seasonal reappearances too. On the other hand, this weekend is BDMs gold cup and he will have been trained for it as such; if you believe in RPRs he has never ran to a level below 170 around haydock (in 5 runs) since graduating out of novice company. Negatives are he’s now 10, and the conditions are looking unlikely to be worse than good to soft, however I think APT will be a fair way from fully wound up and while next destination would be my pick of the rest of the bunch based on his national hunt chase form but I think they’ve all got a big step forward to take to get BDM beat even if he can’t run to the level he did last year. Plus barring any disaster he’s nailed on to run. Make him a bet at 3/1 and think I might double him up with 2 or 3 festival fancies, need to get my record with these back on track for the season
Absolutely bang on. He's the king of Haydock and will make it 4 Betfair Chases. What a horse.
Whilst you’ve been writing this Tonic, I’ve literally just looked at the Betfair Chase market & thought Next Destination’s the bet in it at 6s & used that to roll up for a few speculative doubles for the Festival. Nicholls is firing at present & Next Destination is due to win a big one; this could be it as you’ve stated against an ageing BDM & pretty open race by the looks of it with many question marks. I’ve doubled him up with Allaho for the Ryanair & Commander of Fleet for the Pertemps randomly.
Yeah he’s the danger ok and would be my pick of the rest of them. I’m assuming he’s an intended runner but he does hold an entry in the hennessy - must admit I’ve not read nicholls stable tour.
realistically I think APT might drift a little bit on the day from his current price of 11/8, this is a big ask for a horse who has back form to show they regularly find a lot of improvement for their first run of the season
Not an original selection but I’m dead keen on Bristol de Mai for the Betfair Chase, think a plus tard is a bad favourite. APT has been a beaten fav on his last 3 seasonal bows no, against much lesser opposition than he will face in the grade 1 this weekend as well. Seems henry has left a bit to work on with a lot of his good ones prior to their seasonal reappearances too. On the other hand, this weekend is BDMs gold cup and he will have been trained for it as such; if you believe in RPRs he has never ran to a level below 170 around haydock (in 5 runs) since graduating out of novice company. Negatives are he’s now 10, and the conditions are looking unlikely to be worse than good to soft, however I think APT will be a fair way from fully wound up and while next destination would be my pick of the rest of the bunch based on his national hunt chase form but I think they’ve all got a big step forward to take to get BDM beat even if he can’t run to the level he did last year. Plus barring any disaster he’s nailed on to run. Make him a bet at 3/1 and think I might double him up with 2 or 3 festival fancies, need to get my record with these back on track for the season
Certainly looks the most solid option. I would of been with Royal Pag on soft or worse. Very good course form and younger and fresher than BDM, but looks like they might skip it now with no rain. I’m very keen to take APT on for the reasons you’ve mentioned already. That was a very tough race he had in the GC and many don’t come back from races like that. He’s got youth on his side but tough gold cups break horses.
I’m siding with Imperial Aura or Next Destination and will likely play a couple doubles with the Ladbrokes Trophy.
Get the feeling Aura is ready for this, so as long as it’s not a slog, which looks unlikely, the distance shouldn’t be an issue. Stayed the trip as a 6 year old at Cheltenham so don’t see any worries now he’s 8. Had a wind op over the summer and the bleed in the Ryanair was purely the pace Allaho went so I’d be confident that won’t be an issue either. Next Destination looks to have a decent chance too, as someone mentioned Nicholls is flying. You know he’ll have him ready for this too.
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