Mares Hurdle 2021

[Scooby91]

Willies comments mean this IMO
assuming concertista is fit.
if honeysuckle goes mares then benie does also.
double team
If honey goes champion then benie likely to go chase

May be right, however just think the mares will cut up so bad at the time behind the top 2, that they will end up there. IF and for me it's a huge IF honey diddnt go for the mares, then it would be even easier, and surely ricj... would fancy taking on concertista who has beaten zero. Than take on the unexposed ones in the mares chase, which will be a big field over fences where anything can happen.

[Lobos]

May be right, however just think the mares will cut up so bad at the time behind the top 2, that they will end up there. IF and for me it's a huge IF honey diddnt go for the mares, then it would be even easier, and surely ricj... would fancy taking on concertista who has beaten zero. Than take on the unexposed ones in the mares chase, which will be a big field over fences where anything can happen.

Scooby, re Honeysuckle, do you not see her winning the ICH? And if not, who do you see winning it ?

[Scooby91]

Scooby, re Honeysuckle, do you not see her winning the ICH? And if not, who do you see winning it ?

It's a trappy tactical race that dosent resemble the champion hurdle at all, they are all in with a shout. I do not see honeysuckle being at her best as a 2mile champion hurdler at all, you could try and make her into one, but she wont win one, so why not take the race you have a favourites chance in... and she very likely will.

[Lobos]

It's a trappy tactical race that dosent resemble the champion hurdle at all, they are all in with a shout. I do not see honeysuckle being at her best as a 2mile champion hurdler at all, you could try and make her into one, but she wont win one, so why not take the race you have a favourites chance in... and she very likely will.

For me she has shown a bit more tactical speed in her races this season and if she does come out on top in the ICH I do think they'll take their chance in the English version annoyingly. If Epatante is at her best then I don't see Honeysuckle beating her but I would see her as the biggest threat. Time will tell.

[Scooby91]

For me she has shown a bit more tactical speed in her races this season and if she does come out on top in the ICH I do think they'll take their chance in the English version annoyingly. If Epatante is at her best then I don't see Honeysuckle beating her but I would see her as the biggest threat. Time will tell.

She has ran once this season which was over a trip against some plodders, so I'm not sure where you saw the extra speed. I dont see them going for the CH at all, as she is not a low accurate slick jumper over her hurdles like you need to be to win a CH. I dont think they would be foolish enough to go there, But we all have our opinions.

[Lobos]

She has ran once this season which was over a trip against some plodders, so I'm not sure where you saw the extra speed. I dont see them going for the CH at all, as she is not a low accurate slick jumper over her hurdles like you need to be to win a CH. I dont think they would be foolish enough to go there, But we all have our opinions.

It was a very slowly run race last time and she really quickened up to put the race to bed as she did in a slowly run Mares Hurdle. They did close at the end but the race was won. I thought her jumping there and at the Festival was exceptional. Think people are just remembering her jumping in the ICH last year which was uncharacteristic. Its very intriguing stuff though.

[Pendil1111]

Minella melody is a fair yardstick I think and she’s had the better of her comfortably twice now. Anybody’s guess if/where BDD goes, I’d have honeysuckle over Concertista if she runs but if neither of the other 2 big guns turn up (at the minute I’d have BDD odds-against to run here, honeysuckle probably marginally odds-on after trainer comments other day) then Concertista will be odds on deffo

What were HDB's comments the other day ToniC ?

[ToniC]

What were HDB's comments the other day ToniC ?

I’m paraphrasing, but along the line of ‘this time last year, we were thinking 90% mares hurdle, 10% champion hurdle (which you wouldn’t have believed taking comments from the time at face value!) but this year we’ve probably a slight preference for the champion hurdle’

Now it’s well & good saying that, but there’s the matter of the ICH between now & then. Last year she beat darver star & petit mouchoir 1 length, I think although the race might cut up a bit it should be a higher quality field this year, and the result will change that way of thinking for them. Even if she does win, I definitely don’t expect a comprehensive victory. It would certainly be a mistake IMO to go to the champion hurdle.

[Pendil1111]

I’m paraphrasing, but along the line of ‘this time last year, we were thinking 90% mares hurdle, 10% champion hurdle (which you wouldn’t have believed taking comments from the time at face value!) but this year we’ve probably a slight preference for the champion hurdle’

Now it’s well & good saying that, but there’s the matter of the ICH between now & then. Last year she beat darver star & petit mouchoir 1 length, I think although the race might cut up a bit it should be a higher quality field this year, and the result will change that way of thinking for them. Even if she does win, I definitely don’t expect a comprehensive victory. It would certainly be a mistake IMO to go to the champion hurdle.

Very much agree with you there ! WPM is talking about running three in the ICH so I don't think winning will be by very much IF she wins at all.......hope she does win and goes Mares hurdle , BDD is 5/2 for the Mares chase ? Main target for BDD ??

[Moby123]

"We'll see what way the races cut up. We might have old business to attend to from last year". For me the key part of that from Willie, is "cut up".
I read that as they'll go for the Mares Hurdle if Honeysuckle isn't there. Otherwise the Mares Chase will be easier than facing both Concertista and Honeysuckle.
I would also assume that if Benie does take the hurdles route then that will definitely push Roksana to the Stayers (which would be their preferred race in any case in terms of distance).
Mares Hurdle Benie 8/1 x Champion Hurdle Honeysuckle 16/1 x Stayers Roksana 14/1 a 2,294/1 treble with William Hills when I last looked.

[Exar Essay]

I’m paraphrasing, but along the line of ‘this time last year, we were thinking 90% mares hurdle, 10% champion hurdle (which you wouldn’t have believed taking comments from the time at face value!) but this year we’ve probably a slight preference for the champion hurdle’

Now it’s well & good saying that, but there’s the matter of the ICH between now & then. Last year she beat darver star & petit mouchoir 1 length, I think although the race might cut up a bit it should be a higher quality field this year, and the result will change that way of thinking for them. Even if she does win, I definitely don’t expect a comprehensive victory. It would certainly be a mistake IMO to go to the champion hurdle.

The quote is: “Last year we were 90 per cent Mares’ Hurdle and 10 per cent Champion Hurdle. This year, we’re probably leaning a little bit more towards the Champion, but we’ll see." https://www.timeform.com/horse-racin...efence-3012021

I do wonder if Henry means 'we're leaning more towards the Champion Hurdle than we are the Mares' i.e. there's more than a 50% chance she goes to the CH, or , 'we're leaning more towards the Champion Hurdle than we were this time last year' i.e. there's more than a 10% chance she goes to the CH. Big difference.

[Quevega]

May be right, however just think the mares will cut up so bad at the time behind the top 2, that they will end up there. IF and for me it's a huge IF honey diddnt go for the mares, then it would be even easier, and surely ricj... would fancy taking on concertista who has beaten zero. Than take on the unexposed ones in the mares chase, which will be a big field over fences where anything can happen.

Yeah I should have said more likely to go for the chase, as I can certainly see both Mullins mares face off in the mares even if Honey defects

[Scooby91]

The quote is: “Last year we were 90 per cent Mares’ Hurdle and 10 per cent Champion Hurdle. This year, we’re probably leaning a little bit more towards the Champion, but we’ll see." https://www.timeform.com/horse-racin...efence-3012021

I do wonder if Henry means 'we're leaning more towards the Champion Hurdle than we are the Mares' i.e. there's more than a 50% chance she goes to the CH, or , 'we're leaning more towards the Champion Hurdle than we were this time last year' i.e. there's more than a 10% chance she goes to the CH. Big difference.

I'd be pretty sure he means just more than the 10%. Would be very surprised otherwise.

[Scooby91]

Money for benie des dieux here quickly flooding in.

[taylorch1990]

Money for benie des dieux here quickly flooding in.

Seems to have shortened in a few places for the Mares Chase as well. Could it just be because of the update on her going straight to the festival and him name checking both Mares races?