Stayers Hurdle 2021

[taylorch1990]

Definitely not IMO. I thought he did phenomenally well to coax him into the race and deliver him when he did. He was hitting fences and making mistakes all way round. Over hurdles he'd be a force to be reckoned with IMO

I'm not an expert on how to ride a horse but imo when a horse is a sloppy jumper they want booting into the fences and having there minds made up for them. When he did that he jumped much better, but all down the back he was sat motionless losing ground at most fences. I'd agree the stayers is a great shout as he looked totally out of it but stayed on really well in the straight.

[Quevega]

The mistakes at every other fence were the reason.

If Sheehan had pushed and asked him after each mistake to get in the race then he'd have expended more energy and would not have finished as strongly.

didn't notice many big mistakes in last part of race, but only watched once.

[charlie]

didn't notice many big mistakes in last part of race, but only watched once.

Yeh I don't think there were many, I've only seen it once myself. I thought the jockey did well - I'll watch it back, will probably change my mind

[Saxon Warrior]

I don’t think there is a definite known result for the Stayers in March, it’s not like PP did “a Thistlecrack in the Cleeve” and coasted in on the snaff.

The reason that everyone’s getting so pumped about the Stayers is because it’s now becoming, for the first time in ages, a proper race, with several legitimate, closely matched contenders likely to be 160+ rated (inc Roksana with the Mares allowance) and its a race we can live and breath through the next three months, in the hope of a classic on Festival Thursday.

Today was wonderful for three horses, and got rid of the Pipe horse from the equation.

Next week it’s the turn of SDB, Fury Road, Ronald Pump, French Dynamite and The Storyteller(?) to strut their stuff, and I am expecting a similar close run race there.

I’m so excited that we’re going to have a big-time Stayers Hurdle, and that we are having some big-time clashes through the heart of the season to set it up.

The UK Champion Hurdle scene has been largely dead for years, we need to kill off the Fighting Fifth or the International Hurdle at Cheltenham, and force horses to compete for big pots against each other through the season, on the way to making a great 2M Championship too.

Propers trainers today, willing to take each other on in big races, is wonderful, not like Hendo stating Altior and Champ are jumping out of their skin, then one day later they aren’t close to ready for a big test they’ve been targeted at since the summer

[billymag]

Been waiting for bet in race, and going to side with SDBerlais, I held the view that adulation Barry got for his first Pertemps win (ride of the meeting etc) was more about the horses ability to get him out of trouble. Seen last years times written about (pertempts and Stayers) and now with no reason to campaign the horse like previous years, I think he will win at xmas and im keen to back him. All the other horses dont make any other appeal at the prices and im happy to make a rare bet in this race.

[Kevloaf]

It shouldn’t have been rocket science to have either of these on side throughout the Summer, surely?

Thyme Hill was freely available at 14/1 and Paisley Park at 8/1.

They really, really, really shouldn’t be difficult prices to mull over months and seasons away from the festival,nor decisions for punters to take, nor make.

Well having backed Paisley Park at 10/1 and Thyme Hill at 16/1, I better take up a career in rocket science.

What was the point of your post?


People have messaged me asking how to block you, and I am bored of reading your posts that add fuck all.

What actual point are you trying to make?



Where were you over the summer making the case for them?

Popping up now, questioning ME, who literally has it documented at backing at bigger prices than you've quoted is just bizarre?



My post was just highlighting to Lobos, that I predicted after the event of today (if TH ran well) people would talk up FR..... what youv'e said doesn't ahve any relevance whatsoever to that.

[Istabraq]

I don’t think there is a definite known result for the Stayers in March, it’s not like PP did “a Thistlecrack in the Cleeve” and coasted in on the snaff.:

I’ve got both covered, but would prefer Thyme Hill, but I’d be sure TH wins today on better ground and whilst you can’t dismiss it out of hand it’s unlikely they get this ground in March.
It will be a hell of a race, and as others have said it’s been a while since this race was eagerly anticipated and it’s been sub standard for the majority of recent seasons, and with Roksana throwing her hat in the ring and the likes of Fury Road and Ronald Pump as genuine contenders, it’s far from a two horse race.
Exciting times...

[Kevloaf]

Not sure I buy in to this Roksana angle?

4 goes at 3m now in her career, 1 win in 4?

Her Cheltenham record is 2 from 3, but the 2 are wins at 2m4f over Summerville Boy and Stormy Ireland, neither are Stayers Hudle contenders.

Only beaten 2l today but I can't see anything meaning she'd reverse the form with PP or TH? Her best RPR is on "good" when beaten by ITCF (156) but today she's been given (154) on heavy so can't have the ground in her favour either to make enough of a difference?



She's clearly not a no-hoper, but hard to see her winning a Stayers Hurdle?


I'm not going to lay her at 1/16 obviously, but n-one is backing her based on today are they?





It does make me think Benie Des Dieux would be an absolutely massive player here though..... she's just better than Roksana isn't she? I'd fancy BDD to beat Roksana by 2l...... I can't wait for a NRNB price for here....

[Istabraq]

Not sure I buy in to this Roksana angle?

4 goes at 3m now in her career, 1 win in 4?
..

I think any horse beaten only 2 lengths in a proper race has to be considered, that kind of distance can be lost with a slow/bad jump, avoiding a faller, hampered by loose horse etc, so no she won’t be favourite but she isn’t without a chance.
3m suits her better these days in my opinion...

[FinalFurlong91]

Not sure I buy in to this Roksana angle?

4 goes at 3m now in her career, 1 win in 4?

Her Cheltenham record is 2 from 3, but the 2 are wins at 2m4f over Summerville Boy and Stormy Ireland, neither are Stayers Hudle contenders.

Only beaten 2l today but I can't see anything meaning she'd reverse the form with PP or TH? Her best RPR is on "good" when beaten by ITCF (156) but today she's been given (154) on heavy so can't have the ground in her favour either to make enough of a difference?



She's clearly not a no-hoper, but hard to see her winning a Stayers Hurdle?


I'm not going to lay her at 1/16 obviously, but n-one is backing her based on today are they?





It does make me think Benie Des Dieux would be an absolutely massive player here though..... she's just better than Roksana isn't she? I'd fancy BDD to beat Roksana by 2l...... I can't wait for a NRNB price for here....

Id fancy benie to beat roksana by much much further than 2 lengths

[Kevloaf]

I think any horse beaten only 2 lengths in a proper race has to be considered, that kind of distance can be lost with a slow/bad jump, avoiding a faller, hampered by loose horse etc, so no she won’t be favourite but she isn’t without a chance.
3m suits her better these days in my opinion...

Yeah that's fair enough, 2L isn't like she's been thrashed of course.

Essentially I'm just in no rush to back her now at 16/1...

Id fancy benie to beat roksana by much much further than 2 lengths

Yeah so would I, I think I'll end up with a big old bet on her NRNB!






Getting off the fence, I think the way Paisley Park has picked up Thyme Hill was so impressive. I definitely won't be ruling one out over the other, for me it's impossible to fancy one and "rule out" the other as they're clearly (to me) closely matched.

If I was going to have to back one with my life on the line though, it'd be Paisley Park... he's now 1-1 with TH, but cruicially has the "been there, done that" in the bag.

[Faugheen_Machine]

BDD is only going to have one run before the festival so what are the chances she'll be pitched in this? She'd have a better chance of beating the mares over hurdles or fences, imo
Id love to be laying her for this race

[Kevloaf]

BDD is only going to have one run before the festival so what are the chances she'll be pitched in this? She'd have a better chance of beating the mares over hurdles or fences, imo
Id love to be laying her for this race

There is literally zero percent chance I'd have mentioned backing her without NRNB ....

Least likely of the 3 targets IMO, but that might make her a better NRNB price....and if she did run (and looking at the 'line through Roksana') she should be fav

[Faugheen_Machine]

There is literally zero percent chance I'd have mentioned backing her without NRNB ....

Least likely of the 3 targets IMO, but that might make her a better NRNB price....and if she did run (and looking at the 'line through Roksana') she should be fav

You'd have her fav over PP? That Roksana form line is too old to be significant for me.

It's a moot point, she won't turn up

[Kevloaf]

You'd have her fav over PP? That Roksana form line is too old to be significant for me.

It's a moot point, she won't turn up

I think I would to be far mate yeah.

Her optimum is 3m for me.


Maybe he would be fav, if I really, really thought about it....but they'd be close, and I think he'd need to be giving his absolute best to give her 7lbs.





I hope you're right, and she is in the Mares Chase - but still, my point was, NRNB, I'll be backing her, and I will, as she'll be an each way "bet to nothing" price.