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  • Nicholls happy with Mcfabulous. Cleeve up next .

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    • Cracking race, once it actually got going. Agree regarding Paisley Park, lovely race from him, especially as it probably wasn't run to suit as well. Thyme Hill ran a stormer on seasonal debut, him and PP the stand outs.

      Glad I didn't get drawn into the McFabulous specials, I so nearly was but I did have enough small doubts about him staying, so bullet dodged there.

      Also I'm really happy how Honest Vic, who had to give them a lead because it was already becoming farcical, stayed on for 5th. If he gets a pace to aim at he could go well in whichever race he runs in at the festival.

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      • What did we think of Honest Vic guys?

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        • Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post

          I think there are reasons to think Paisley will reverse that form. The slow pace had to suit TH more than PP and TH was in the box seat all the way round.

          On a stiff track like Cheltenham I would prefer PP but couldn't resist the 14/1 on Fury Road after that, given the AB form got such a decent boost.

          I can't see me backing any other horses in this now.
          I'm not making excuses as TH best horse on the day & PP of last year I think would of gone past everything & anything from 2 out.

          Ill be running the numbers on it just to try to try to put any form on context to the runners but no excuses. ( still seen enough in Paisley to keep him inside thou yes)

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          • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
            Nicholls happy with Mcfabulous. Cleeve up next .
            Really? A horse that travels that strongly into the latter part of a race at Newbury on good ground and doesn't find is a non-stayer to me. The large hill looming in March gives me even less reason to think he'd reverse the form with the front 2 IMO, and that's before we factor in what comes over from Ireland. He could improve, of course he could, but I have my reservations.

            At least he won the stayers in November eh Lobos, that might be the best it ever gets for McFabulous

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            • Originally posted by FaugheenTheMachine View Post
              That was superb. That Albert Bartlett form is really stacking up now
              There were plenty of people crabbing the race over the Spring/Summer.

              Delighted with Thyme Hill, travelled well and picked up nicely, should be some improvement in him too.
              Having thrown a few ante post vouchers on the fire in that last week or two and wasted plenty on attempted roll ups it's nice to have a decent boost like that...

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              • Originally posted by Topofthegame2021 View Post
                What did we think of Honest Vic guys?
                He's probably not good enough. I say probably as VDT lit him up and I knew at that point my fate was sealed. He stayed on well so all hope isn't completely lost, but I'd say the 66 I too pre race is probably back out to 66

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                • Originally posted by Middle_Of_March View Post
                  Back in April, i said Paisley Park and Thyme Hill were the value bets in this market at 11/1 and 18/1 for this. Both have shortened now and I’d say they’re the right prices. Any shorter would be too far imo.

                  Can’t believe my eyes though that I’ve just seen SDB is joint fav with him. SDB may have carried too weight to win the Pertemps but Jesus Christ he’s 7/1 for a championship race? Despite being 9 years old and having his entire career in handicaps.

                  I know Lobos was very very keen on him at double figures but surely nobody thinks he’s a good price at 7/1? That looks absolutely insane to me.
                  Needless to say... delighted with that 1-2 at Newbury!

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                  • Originally posted by charlie View Post

                    Really? A horse that travels that strongly into the latter part of a race at Newbury on good ground and doesn't find is a non-stayer to me. The large hill looming in March gives me even less reason to think he'd reverse the form with the front 2 IMO, and that's before we factor in what comes over from Ireland. He could improve, of course he could, but I have my reservations.

                    At least he won the stayers in November eh Lobos, that might be the best it ever gets for McFabulous
                    I'd agree. Nicholls clutching at straws I think. Nowhere else to go with him though so may as well give it another go in the Cleeve and hope for a true run race to find out if he really is a Stayer. Doubt it though. Line pretty much put through him on my list but a big tick for Thyme Hill. He's my winner now along with Sire Du Berlais and Fury Road

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                    • PP was very good on his first race out for me, Coleman seemed happy with the comeback, looks like it could be a.cracking Stayers.come March

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                      • Originally posted by Outlaw View Post
                        Decent Run from Paisley no excuses winner better on the day, deserves be Fav TH especially with plenty of Hobbs runner needing a run. Still an openish division with fresh blood coming through. Mcfab bubble burst thou !
                        That's how I see it too.

                        I don't think I'll buy into the fitness excuse (if they bring that up) - he's definitely shown good enough there today to be worthwhile having onside though which is really pleasing.

                        I also agree that TH deserves to be favourite. That was a really pleasant surprise (for all that a 7/2 shot can be a surprise).....

                        I am glad McFabulous was beaten (although soured by having 3 points on him this morning for the special) - Interesting he's going to the Cleeve next, but I agree with someone else above, he didn't see that out well enough and it can't be blamed on fitness.


                        Fury Road gets a little boost too....

                        Nothing to lose there, although Lisnager Oscar will need a performance from out of the miracle book to still have a chance. Given he's the reigning champion 50/1 is insulting, however I feel like history will show that was just a freak result. I won't cash him out (unless I can for 100%) and then I'd re-back at 50/1


                        I thought Thyme Hill won that really, really well...can't wait to watch it back

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                        • Originally posted by Outlaw View Post

                          I'm not making excuses as TH best horse on the day & PP of last year I think would of gone past everything & anything from 2 out.

                          Ill be running the numbers on it just to try to try to put any form on context to the runners but no excuses. ( still seen enough in Paisley to keep him inside thou yes)
                          PP comes out best on ratings as he was giving 3lbs to both 1st and 3rd. To me from the time they (eventually) started to race you had a true run 3ml hurdle

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                          • Great comeback from Paisley Park there, agree with most the pace would have suited Thyme Hill better but maybe the slow pace PP didn’t seem to hit his flat spot did he?

                            Normally it’s a lot earlier in the race, was going well right into the straight, think the third last Coleman go to work on him. Very encouraging indeed.

                            Impressed with Thyme Hill as well great run for his comeback, good to see Richard Johnson getting a good in’.

                            McFabulous by name but that’s about it for me, can’t see anyway he turns the form around with either of the front 2 and add in Fury Road he’s got no chance imo. Slow slow pace and still didn’t see it out. Nicholls surely clutching, race fitness on his side as well.

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                            • Surprised PP hasn't shortened more myself. Couldn't really have gone much better considering it wasn't the really stern test he needs. I am feeling quite confident he will reverse the form with the runner up in March, and think he should be clear fav myself. Will definitely be topping up at 6/1.

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                              • I really am astonished that they're not looking at fences for McFabulous over fences - he'd be a weapon over 2 1/2 with the way he travels through his races. Perhaps he schooled over the summer and absolutely s**t the bed?

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