Stayers Hurdle 2021

[Lobos]

I said it's a fact that they are open to improvement more so than SDB is - don't try and put words in my mouth. Are you disputing that novice hurdlers aren't open to more improvement than seasoned handicappers?

Lobos, Sire Du Berlais is a two time handicap winner at the festival... it's like suggesting Un Temps Pour Tout should have been a Gold Cup player after he won 2x Ultima Handicap Chases.... I haven't said it's impossible, however I am extremely confident 16/1 is not a good value price for you to be right on this occasion.

You keep ignoring the fact he won the Pertempts off one of the highest ratings ever in the race and is now rated higher than previous Stayers winners ? They don't even need to eek any more improvement out of him to be involved in what is looking a very open renewal. 16/1 is very fair with doubts around PP and 4 other horses in front of him in the betting unlikely to run in the race. I've backed TH myself but if they were to run in a match tomorrow I know who my money would be on.

[Quevega]

I agree with Kev 100%.
But in aid of Lobos's case for Sire du Berlais.

Although he's a seasoned handicapper, he's arguably only ever been trained to try and win on three occasions.
All at Cheltenham, finishing fourth and two wins over course and distance.

He may have tried @ aintree the season before last and got beat also. But I am completely guessing on this, any which way you look at
it.

Aside from that, this debate reminds me of when I drunkenly got off the train to Birmingham from Cheltenham a couple of years ago and got stranded in a deserted station. Proper panic, once I realised. After tormenting the Police on the emergency button at the station for half an hour and threatened with arrest, I remembered I could google for a taxi on my phone.

The taxi driver who rescued me, had his radio on and was listening to a weird talk show. For some reason, probably related to the talk show, he mentioned he believed the Earth was flat !!

Fucking wrong person to say that too at that time in a morning.
I wouldn't let it lie.

Kev, Lobos is your Taxi driver.

[Lobos]

I agree with Kev 100%.
But in aid of Lobos's case for Sire du Berlais.

Although he's a seasoned handicapper, he's arguably only ever been trained to try and win on three occasions.
All at Cheltenham, finishing fourth and two wins over course and distance.

He may have tried @ aintree the season before last and got beat also. But I am completely guessing on this, any which way you look at
it.

Aside from that, this debate reminds me of when I drunkenly got off the train to Birmingham from Cheltenham a couple of years ago and got stranded in a deserted station. Proper panic, once I realised. After tormenting the Police on the emergency button at the station for half an hour and threatened with arrest, I remembered I could google for a taxi on my phone.

The taxi driver who rescued me, had his radio on and was listening to a weird talk show. For some reason, probably related to the talk show, he mentioned he believed the Earth was flat !!

Fucking wrong person to say that too at that time in a morning.
I wouldn't let it lie.

Kev, Lobos is your Taxi driver.

Lol !! I do enjoy our late night, early morning scraps ! If it wasn't for Kev I'd probably be walking the streets late at night looking for my next victim. Kev is my councillor.

[Lobos]

The Storyteller has had multiple attempts at Grade 1 level, and is not good enough.



Fury Road and Thyme Hill were novice hurdlers, so haven't achieved their peak ratings yet. I know that they'll achieve higher ratings in open company unless they regress, that is how the ratings and natural progression works. I've backed them as in my opinion (and actually it's fact) that they're clearly open to improvement more so than SDB is.

Also I have backed them as I clearly think they're better value, and I'll be disappointed if they aren't rated higher than Sire Du Berlais by the end of next season.


I'd suggest, a better definition of madness is to consider a horse that is exposed as a handicapper that is rated inferior, will improve again to be better than the open class hurdlers and also better than the novices coming in to the division. The horse I've backed is rated higher, on absolute merit. At the same price, you're the one with something to prove and less actual reasons for the progression to appear.


One of your worst ever arguements, stop wasting my time. You don't post your bets openly like the rest of us do, so stop telling everyone who you've backed in every single thread too, it has no credibility and doesn't add anything of worth.

kev, just seen the bit you added at the bottom. Don't think that is true . I've not posted a copy of my portfolio agreed but I pretty much put up every bet I place under every single heading. I've nothing to hide. I'd argue that maybe a few on here do think what I post has some credibility/worth. Not everything clearly !!!

[Ray]

kev, just seen the bit you added at the bottom. Don't think that is true . I've not posted a copy of my portfolio agreed but I pretty much put up every bet I place under every single heading. I've nothing to hide. I'd argue that maybe a few on here do think what I post has some credibility/worth. Not everything clearly !!!

You should Chin ‘im

[Quevega]

You should Chin ‘im

Not the best advice that Ray.
Not practical either.
And almost certainly won't help either party.
You're not a councillor are you ?

[Ray]

I think sire du berlais could probably win the pertemps again no? Will have a lofty rating but them 2 were well clear this year the pair of em could go again..i agree with kevloaf..id be more inclined to back the improvers but not fury road for me which sounds stupid but id rather thyme hill..those write ups i posted in the albert bartlett fred i think the guy was bang on talking about thyme hills unlucky finish if hed of got room and didnt run into trouble hed of actually won by a length or 2 IMO

[Lobos]

You should Chin ‘im

Not my style Ray. Normally just keep them in the basement and torture them in between posting on here.

[Scooby91]

You should Chin ‘im

Im not a trained relationship counsellor, however they may well be trying to work out who is the "bottom" and who is the "top"

[Scooby91]

You keep ignoring the fact he won the Pertempts off one of the highest ratings ever in the race and is now rated higher than previous Stayers winners ? They don't even need to eek any more improvement out of him to be involved in what is looking a very open renewal. 16/1 is very fair with doubts around PP and 4 other horses in front of him in the betting unlikely to run in the race. I've backed TH myself but if they were to run in a match tomorrow I know who my money would be on.

Not sure about the match bet. As I'm not sure they'd have SDB sonforward 1st time up. But I see the case longterm.

[Middle_Of_March]

You keep ignoring the fact he won the Pertempts off one of the highest ratings ever in the race and is now rated higher than previous Stayers winners ? They don't even need to eek any more improvement out of him to be involved in what is looking a very open renewal. 16/1 is very fair with doubts around PP and 4 other horses in front of him in the betting unlikely to run in the race. I've backed TH myself but if they were to run in a match tomorrow I know who my money would be on.

I too agree with Kev on this one. It’s not even close tbh.

SDB has never ever shown form that makes him better than a handicapper. Ever. And he’s going into his 9 year old season. Winning a handicap two years in a row, even with the latter being off top weight, does nothing to show that he’s a Grade 1 horse. It shows he can carry weight in a handicap and has the touch of class you need to win a race like that off 152. But it certainly does not show that he’s going to be competitive in a Grade 1 the following year not show some unrecognisable improvement at the grand old age of 9. He’s so known to be a handicapper that he’s never even ran in a graded race as they know his level.

As well as that, he’s won 3 of 15 in his career. 1 of which was in France many years ago. The other two being the Pertemps. I would make him long odds on to be in the Pertemps again.

[Bonjers]

McFabulous jocked up and odds-on for the Persian War on Friday. Still expect him to end up chasing though.

[Outlaw]

McFabulous jocked up and odds-on for the Persian War on Friday. Still expect him to end up chasing though.

Odds on already, was 6/4 at the weekend(not that it interested me) the one to beat clearly as wouldn't usually be eligible, his experience a big plus but going to be very skinny then.

[Ray]

Ill be keeping a keen eye i think he could be really good! If i was to have a bet in the persian war though then its got to be everglow as mentioned in Paul Fergussons book..the way he is mentioned suggests he will easily stay!

[Lobos]

Ill be keeping a keen eye i think he could be really good! If i was to have a bet in the persian war though then its got to be everglow as mentioned in Paul Fergussons book..the way he is mentioned suggests he will easily stay!

Nice. Hobbs one it last year with Thyme Hill so makes sense.