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You couldnt even compare the ease Energumine won with compared to CPS sure??? The arkle horse wasnt even shaken up
Two completely different races. Times are irrelevant. Every year people compare the Supreme time to that of the Champion Hurdle and it's equally pointless.
As an aside, Notebook has been consistently over-rated. He only just got home from Cash Back last year.
Two completely different races. Times are irrelevant. Every year people compare the Supreme time to that of the Champion Hurdle and it's equally pointless.
As an aside, Notebook has been consistently over-rated. He only just got home from Cash Back last year.
Of course there is a point in compating times. It was over the exact same course and distance on the exact same ground. The pundits rckoned they went flat to the mat in the champion chase and hence it was a star performance by CPS. In reality it is more likely Notebook underperformed, Min pulled up, Fakir ran his race and CPS prob ran a bit below his level at Christmas. If he ran the race we think he ran there is no way a novice should do a 2sec faster time than him on the bridle and still be only 2nd fav for an arkle???
Energomine ran the same course and dustance 1.3 seconds faster than CPS
Either Energomine is the best we have ever seen or Notebook went way to quick and fell in a hole making CPS look better visually than he actually was. Interesting
The official times are incorrect. CPS was slightly quicker than the novice race.
The Dublin Chase was quicker at the start, slightly slower in the middle and CPS was slightly quicker than Energumene at the end. Notebook didn't go too quickly - CPS was just far too good.
Mick Fitzgerald just said he's sitting on 20-1 ew Altior.
Has that ever been a price ?
Nope. I've sat on a 8/1 ticket for months now (before the start of the season). Altior went out ~4pts after his defeat but at no point have I've seen 20/1 for him
The official times are incorrect. CPS was slightly quicker than the novice race.
The Dublin Chase was quicker at the start, slightly slower in the middle and CPS was slightly quicker than Energumene at the end. Notebook didn't go too quickly - CPS was just far too good.
Not according to the Racing Post. Have you a source about the times being incorrect?
I would be surprised at the RP being incorrect still?? Irish Racing also have the same times
Not according to the Racing Post. Have you a source about the times being incorrect?
I would be surprised at the RP being incorrect still?? Irish Racing also have the same times
Timed it myself and same for other people on Twitter - Simon Rowlands, Tony Keenan and few others. If you put the two races side by side you'll see the Dublin Chase being slightly quicker.
Very impressive by both CPS and Energumene as they could have gone quicker and they were both noticeably quicker than the handicap chase despite carrying 23 pounds more than the winner.
Would it be fair to say that (and again, I fully acknowledge those who don’t play 12 months out) - that if people feel ‘we have a right race in the Arkle now’ (phrase of the day), wouldn’t the play on Energumene for next year’s Champion Chase be the one to be thinking about?
The outstandingly value bet ‘related’ to the Arkle right now?
Would it be fair to say that (and again, I fully acknowledge those who don’t play 12 months out) - that if people feel ‘we have a right race in the Arkle now’ (phrase of the day), wouldn’t the play on Energumene for next year’s Champion Chase be the one to be thinking about?
The outstandingly value bet ‘related’ to the Arkle right now?
In my opinion, 16/1 for a bet in 13 months times isn't worthwhile.
It's odds on to lose in 1 months times.... I'd need to fancy it so strongly and literally nobody can....
If Energumene beats Shishkin, you're right, he won't be 16/1..... but so what?
May see his future being over further even if he won the Arkle. No guarantees the Champion Chase would the target and there would be better 16/1 shots between now and the next festival to put your money into.
Personally find it quite hard to see beyond both Shishkin and Energaname for the champion chase 2022. I’d put the price of one of the pair winning at about 5/2 at this point, so 16/1 seems fair.
Tying money up 13 months out may be unattractive, but I’ll be building an AP book on Chelts 2022 from mid March anyway!
May see his future being over further even if he won the Arkle. No guarantees the Champion Chase would the target and there would be better 16/1 shots between now and the next festival to put your money into.
Would you be wise enough to suggest 13 months in advance any clues as we stand at this precise moment that would be ‘better value’ than 16/1???
I have an inkling (only a tiny one) that you might be right with the ultimate distance Energumene might be going come next year, but I would have to disagree that there ‘would be better’ 16/1 shots between now and the festival. Not as I type these words out there isn’t. Not a 6 or 7 year old out there that I can think of that would be value at 16’s tonight for next years Champion Chase? Surely??
The official times are incorrect. CPS was slightly quicker than the novice race.
The Dublin Chase was quicker at the start, slightly slower in the middle and CPS was slightly quicker than Energumene at the end. Notebook didn't go too quickly - CPS was just far too good.
Rowlands timed it from the back of the first fence and they were rougjly the same. The handicap chase was 2secs slower and while they were carrying 17lbs less as you say, they are only rated around 133 or so. On the cloxk its not an unbelieveable performance. An open horse running the same time or slightly slower time as a novice is not an unbelieveable performance in my view. Running 2 secs quicker than 130 rated handicappers even giving 17lbs is not a fantastic performance. You would expect at least that from any decent G1 winner surely???
Rowlands timed it from the back of the first fence and they were rougjly the same. The handicap chase was 2secs slower and while they were carrying 17lbs less as you say, they are only rated around 133 or so. On the cloxk its not an unbelieveable performance. An open horse running the same time or slightly slower time as a novice is not an unbelieveable performance in my view. Running 2 secs quicker than 130 rated handicappers even giving 17lbs is not a fantastic performance. You would expect at least that from any decent G1 winner surely???
They were carrying 23 pounds more and beat Wave over the Sea (currently rated 133 but likely to go up to 138ish) by 2.7 seconds so around 11-12 pounds worth. 170ish type performance on the clock without being extended. Yeah I'd say that's pretty impressive from both.
Rowlands has CPS being 1.4 seconds quicker from the flag and 0.4s quicker from the first fence.
Would you be wise enough to suggest 13 months in advance any clues as we stand at this precise moment that would be ‘better value’ than 16/1???
I have an inkling (only a tiny one) that you might be right with the ultimate distance Energumene might be going come next year, but I would have to disagree that there ‘would be better’ 16/1 shots between now and the festival. Not as I type these words out there isn’t. Not a 6 or 7 year old out there that I can think of that would be value at 16’s tonight for next years Champion Chase? Surely??
That is amazing.
You disagree there won't be a better 16/1 shot than this? (Energumene for the 2022 QMCC)
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