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I see Defi is entered in the Clarence House
Anyone tempted by the 20/1 for this ?
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I think Defi is one bad race away from retirement, his defeats haven’t just been defeats unless there’s a physical issue he appears to have just given the game up, shows very little enthusiasm these days.
Of course one good performance and all that changes but his chances improve over further so if fit and in form he’d be heading to the Ryanair if he were mine...
I think Defi is one bad race away from retirement, his defeats haven’t just been defeats unless there’s a physical issue he appears to have just given the game up, shows very little enthusiasm these days.
Of course one good performance and all that changes but his chances improve over further so if fit and in form he’d be heading to the Ryanair if he were mine...
A bit of a surprise to see Waiting Patiently supplemented for the Clarence House on Saturday. He has entries in the Ryanair, Gold Cup and Champion Chase and he's not one to back antepost usually given his fragility but I'm thinking he's one of those NRNB bets to nothing at 16/1 ew before Saturday.
Positives
Grade 1 winner who has only been unplaced in two of his 11 chase starts (includes two Grade 1 places).
Unexposed at trip of 2 miles and only beaten a length in Tingle Creek in 2019, arguably would have won in another 100 yards.
Sound jumper who travels well in his races. No experience at Cheltenham but hill should suit.
One of the highest rated English challengers in a race that tends to cut up quite badly.
Negatives
Although he's a sound jumper he's not particularly quick over his fences. Everything could happen too quickly for him and what is his trip?
No experience at Cheltenham or festival. Given his profile questions about him getting there. Definitely needs soft ground over 2 miles.
Likely to be playing for places behind CPS.
WP has a good record at Ascot and he's 3/1 to win on Saturday against Politologue who's he beaten twice in two runs, albeit Politologue looks an improved horse in the last year. He's obviously coming off the back of a good run in King George and reported to be very well at home.
The only way way I can see him running in the Champion Chase is if he wins on Saturday. If he does win then this race must become an option. A defeat and he's not coming here and just wait to get my money back. I was hoping for bigger than 16/1 so haven't pulled the trigger. Interested in what others think?
Last edited by Skysthelimit; 18 January 2021, 10:16 PM.
A bit of a surprise to see Waiting Patiently supplemented for the Clarence House on Saturday. He has entries in the Ryanair, Gold Cup and Champion Chase and he's not one to back antepost usually given his fragility but I'm thinking he's one of those NRNB bets to nothing at 16/1 ew before Saturday.
Positives
Grade 1 winner who has only been unplaced in two of his 11 chase starts (includes two Grade 1 places).
Unexposed at trip of 2 miles and only beaten a length in Tingle Creek, arguably would have won in another 100 yards.
Sound jumper who travels well in his races. No experience at Cheltenham but hill should suit.
One of the highest rated English challengers in a race that tends to cut up quite badly.
Negatives
Although he's a sound jumper he's not particularly quick over his fences. Everything could happen too quickly for him and what is his trip?
No experience at Cheltenham or festival. Given his profile questions about him getting there. Definitely needs soft ground over 2 miles.
Likely to be playing for places behind CPS.
WP has a good record at Ascot and he's 3/1 to win on Saturday against Politologue who's he beaten twice in two runs, albeit Politologue looks an improved horse in the last year. He's obviously coming off the back of a good run in King George and reported to be very well at home.
The only way way I can see him running in the Champion Chase is if he wins on Saturday. If he does win then this race must become an option. A defeat and he's not coming here and just wait to get my money back. I was hoping for bigger than 16/1 so haven't pulled the trigger. Interested in what others think?
I think that's an excellent play, I'd expect him to be a Ryanair horse of the 3, but as you point out, you'll just get your money back as surely he only runs in the QMCC if he goes very, very close to beating Politlogue, or beat him...and then he deserves a shot.
A bit of a surprise to see Waiting Patiently supplemented for the Clarence House on Saturday. He has entries in the Ryanair, Gold Cup and Champion Chase and he's not one to back antepost usually given his fragility but I'm thinking he's one of those NRNB bets to nothing at 16/1 ew before Saturday.
Positives
Grade 1 winner who has only been unplaced in two of his 11 chase starts (includes two Grade 1 places).
Unexposed at trip of 2 miles and only beaten a length in Tingle Creek in 2019, arguably would have won in another 100 yards.
Sound jumper who travels well in his races. No experience at Cheltenham but hill should suit.
One of the highest rated English challengers in a race that tends to cut up quite badly.
Negatives
Although he's a sound jumper he's not particularly quick over his fences. Everything could happen too quickly for him and what is his trip?
No experience at Cheltenham or festival. Given his profile questions about him getting there. Definitely needs soft ground over 2 miles.
Likely to be playing for places behind CPS.
WP has a good record at Ascot and he's 3/1 to win on Saturday against Politologue who's he beaten twice in two runs, albeit Politologue looks an improved horse in the last year. He's obviously coming off the back of a good run in King George and reported to be very well at home.
The only way way I can see him running in the Champion Chase is if he wins on Saturday. If he does win then this race must become an option. A defeat and he's not coming here and just wait to get my money back. I was hoping for bigger than 16/1 so haven't pulled the trigger. Interested in what others think?
I quite like this play but do the conditions worry you? Heave ground this week-end and say he does go close or even wins but then we have a good-soft ground champion chase, not sure I’d be wanting to back him with good in the going description.
just a thought as I really like this horse but he frustrates me.....well the trainer frustrates me.
Was it this horse the owners didn’t run at Cheltenham (2 years ago ?) because they were in the Caribbean and didn’t want to travel ?
NRNB of course is risk free so wouldn’t talk anyone off but I’d say the horse is odds against to leave his box in March...
I like Waiting Patiently a lot, probably a bit too much, and have (like most) been frustrated at times with how he has been campaigned because I think he's good enough to have taken some bigger prizes. I think the NRNB play is a decent one and wouldn't personally worry about him running on unsuitable ground as I'd be confident that if there's good in the description he'd be pulled.
Perhaps worth noting that all of his open company form is right-handed. Strangely, all of his novice form is left-handed.
As per my diary I added Min for this @ 55 for a small stake just in case something happens to CPS. Little doubt in my mind they'd slot Min here were CPS to get injured, especially given the wealth of Ryanair options Willie has. I hope it doesn't happen (really) and we're not deprived the race we all wanted last year, but CPS is fragile and you never know in this game.
As per my diary I added Min for this @ 55 for a small stake just in case something happens to CPS. Little doubt in my mind they'd slot Min here were CPS to get injured, especially given the wealth of Ryanair options Willie has. I hope it doesn't happen (really) and we're not deprived the race we all wanted last year, but CPS is fragile and you never know in this game.
Yeah, different side of the same coin but I have a 5 pts e/w bet on Min at 8/1 as I think he only runs if CPS doesn't and I'd have that as a stonking bet versus Politilogue
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