Queen Mother Champion Chase 2021

[charlie]

Do you think that performance today, beating Duc Des Genivres, has Willie Mullins scared for Chacun Pour Soi?

As Altior and CPS haven't been seen this season, she's laid down the marker....but NONE of her form yet puts her ahead of Altior, Min, Politilogue, Chacun Pour Soi does it?

Maybe you think it does? I appreciate CPS is 'glass' and Altior will be 11, but until we see them you can't jsut assume they're not good. Her actual form isn't proven to be amazing yet?

Really positive signs though, and you know I'm with you on PTKO, but you're now getting ahead of yourself IMO (but if you cna't celebrate when you get something right, then there is no enjoyment!)

This, basically.

In addition to all that, PTKO is shorter across the board now for the Mares Chase vs the QMCC. That is still an option for connections so in addition to establishing whether or not she's good enough on form, you also have the nervy wait as to where connections will decide to go, whereas with Altior and CPS your betting on them knowing if they make march they are coming here

[Lobos]

Do you think that performance today, beating Duc Des Genivres, has Willie Mullins scared for Chacun Pour Soi?

As Altior and CPS haven't been seen this season, she's laid down the marker....but NONE of her form yet puts her ahead of Altior, Min, Politilogue, Chacun Pour Soi does it?

Maybe you think it does? I appreciate CPS is 'glass' and Altior will be 11, but until we see them you can't jsut assume they're not good. Her actual form isn't proven to be amazing yet?





Really positive signs though, and you know I'm with you on PTKO, but you're now getting ahead of yourself IMO (but if you cna't celebrate when you get something right, then there is no enjoyment!)

You are right, her form isn't up to those mentioned yet! She hasn't had the opportunity yet to prove it. We may just have to wait for March itself for any of those to go into battle together in the same race. All I'm saying is, imo, she is a seriously good Mare. She adores Cheltenham, can win on any ground, jumps brilliantly, can lead or win from behind, she's got a big heart, has speed and stamina, has one of the best trainers ever over two miles at Cheltenham looking after her and she's still a fantastic price compared to the likes of Altior and Chancun. Apart from that she's rubbish......

[Kevloaf]

You are right, her form isn't up to those mentioned yet! She hasn't had the opportunity yet to prove it. We may just have to wait for March itself for any of those to go into battle together in the same race. All I'm saying is, imo, she is a seriously good Mare. She adores Cheltenham, can win on any ground, jumps brilliantly, can lead or win from behind, she's got a big heart, has speed and stamina, has one of the best trainers ever over two miles at Cheltenham looking after her and she's still a fantastic price compared to the likes of Altior and Chancun. Apart from that she's rubbish......

Haha, at 20/1 and 40/1 it's easy for me not to want to back her again

Best price is only 10/1 now...

Altior at 8/1 is very fair still IMO.



Chacun to be fair is shorter than he should be, connections definitely factored in as well.

[Curly]

On the back of today’s race chacun virtually been cut by every bookie from 5/1 to 4/1!!

[Saxon Warrior]

What a run on ground that PTKO was clearly not enjoying.

She pulled out of her initial run due to bad ground, and when the rain came today on ground used for three days they must of cursed their luck.

That girl is all heart , to pick up a horse travelling well like DDG was, is a big performance, off just one run in 12 months, and 3lb wrong at the weights.

Happy to have her as my main hope for the Champion Chase, and Altior my main hope for the Tingle Creek (Rouge Vif as a big-priced back-up - hoping that the ground permits a run).

I doubt she will run much more before the Cheltenham Festival, particularly if the ground turns soft for much of the next three months, a lot would depend on how she comes out of the race over the next few days.

Maybe one more run (Ireland vs CPS at Christmas?) and then a crack at the big one.

She was my first bet of the next Festival when walking from the course to the pub after-racing on Arkle Day at 33/1.
I love an underdog, and I doubt she will be promoted to being favourite by March, with Altior and CPS being preferred.

[Topofthegame2021]

I thought I read that CPS was being stepped up to 2m 4f? I don’t think the 4/1 is very appetising with those rumours flying around... but that’s just me.

PTKO @ 10’s is a much better bet IMO

[Quevega]

I thought I read that CPS was being stepped up to 2m 4f? I don’t think the 4/1 is very appetising with those rumours flying around... but that’s just me.

PTKO @ 10’s is a much better bet IMO

I’d be very surprised if CPS runs in anything other than this race.
it would not be anything out of the ordinary if he did run in the durkan over 2m 4f

[Dessie the great]

My summation of todays race:

Everything went wrong for PTKO. She didnt get to lead, she looked unhappy all the way around. She was 6 or 7 wide the whole way. She didnt jumo with any of the fluency of her last two starts in Cheltenham. Even so she was tanking down the hill to the 3rd last, DDG winged it and she clouted it, a difference of about 5 ls between the jumps.

Would she have beaten Altior or CPS today? Unlikely. But it was a fair performance considering all that went wrong for her in the race. She would have been upsides at the last with a better jump at the 3rd last. Showed incredibly heart up the hill to grind it out. If things go right in March and she jumps with her usual fluency on less poached ground she could be very hard to pass coming up that hill. Anything less in the jumping department than her arkle run and she will have to settle for place money. Cant see her running in the mares chase either.

[Kevloaf]

I thought I read that CPS was being stepped up to 2m 4f? I don’t think the 4/1 is very appetising with those rumours flying around... but that’s just me.

PTKO @ 10’s is a much better bet IMO

I think Mullins accidently mentioned the wrong race, genuinely that happened.

He's definitely said before he'd have no problem getting that trip - but he's also quoted as saying it's great to have a potential champion chaser in the yard, that he'll go back for the same race (QMCC) and whilst I agree 4/1 isn't a price that would lure me in now, I don't think the threat of the Ryanair is a worry.

[Lobos]

Haha, at 20/1 and 40/1 it's easy for me not to want to back her again

Best price is only 10/1 now...

Altior at 8/1 is very fair still IMO.



Chacun to be fair is shorter than he should be, connections definitely factored in as well.

I think the Altior Tingle/CC price should be taken to get her on board as the TC will cut right up. Can't imagine Kettle /Defi going there now after today. Chancun I can't work out at all. Agree he shouldn't be the price he is now but if he comes out and sluices up we will all say why didn't we take 5's !

[Spectre]

I'm surprised anyone sees that performance today as a negative in any way. She clearly wasn't enjoying the heavy ground, while DDG was devouring it and thoroughly enjoying himself. She didn't get the lead she wanted, and Coleman gave DDG too soft a lead. Despite all that she still had the class to pick him up, a former Arkle winner himself, and she ate up the hill as though it wasn't there.

If I were Willie or Nicky I would definitely be worried about giving her 7lbs around a course that suits her perfectly. Some will continue to crab her though, and those same people will probably say it's a crap Champion Chase when she wins that too and they haven't got a penny on. As hard as it is, and as guilty as we can all be of it sometimes, it just pays to accept the obvious. And in this case the obvious is that she's a class act around Cheltenham.

She's (staggeringly!!!) 14/1 for a race with only two serious rivals, that are ageing/fragile, and now have more to prove than her. Anyone that doesn't have her covered at least each way is bonkers!

[Saxon Warrior]

I'm surprised anyone sees that performance today as a negative in any way. She clearly wasn't enjoying the heavy ground, while DDG was devouring it and thoroughly enjoying himself. She didn't get the lead she wanted, and Coleman gave DDG too soft a lead. Despite all that she still had the class to pick him up, a former Arkle winner himself, and she ate up the hill as though it wasn't there.

If I were Willie or Nicky I would definitely be worried about giving her 7lbs around a course that suits her perfectly. Some will continue to crab her though, and those same people will probably say it's a crap Champion Chase when she wins that too and they haven't got a penny on. As hard as it is, and as guilty as we can all be of it sometimes, it just pays to accept the obvious. And in this case the obvious is that she's a class act around Cheltenham.

She's (staggeringly!!!) 14/1 for a race with only two serious rivals, that are ageing/fragile, and now have more to prove than her. Anyone that doesn't have her covered at least each way is bonkers!

Spectre, I love under-rated Grade 1 winning horses.
Long may she be under-rated.

[jonthehammer]

I'm surprised anyone sees that performance today as a negative in any way. She clearly wasn't enjoying the heavy ground, while DDG was devouring it and thoroughly enjoying himself. She didn't get the lead she wanted, and Coleman gave DDG too soft a lead. Despite all that she still had the class to pick him up, a former Arkle winner himself, and she ate up the hill as though it wasn't there.

If I were Willie or Nicky I would definitely be worried about giving her 7lbs around a course that suits her perfectly. Some will continue to crab her though, and those same people will probably say it's a crap Champion Chase when she wins that too and they haven't got a penny on. As hard as it is, and as guilty as we can all be of it sometimes, it just pays to accept the obvious. And in this case the obvious is that she's a class act around Cheltenham.

She's (staggeringly!!!) 14/1 for a race with only two serious rivals, that are ageing/fragile, and now have more to prove than her. Anyone that doesn't have her covered at least each way is bonkers!

Love that Spectre and i tend to agree with it.

[Quevega]

One for the fans of me mentioning the ground.
or rather what bullshit trainers say about the ground.

paul Nicholls in his usual heightened sense after today’s race.
said about DDG
“on better ground he’d have finished the race better”
no fucking shit.
”he’d have bounced off it”
and got beat further.

We’ll see if big Paul’s right.

[Lobos]

Spot on Spectre. Not that anyone would expect me to say anything different! She is still great value.