Queen Mother Champion Chase 2021

[Lobos]

Something worth considering, even though I’ve mentally written off all my Queen Mother interests on Fakir Doudaries, JPs Current arsenal is Le Richebourg and Defi Du Seuil who you could argue are his possible runners for this race, LR is as fragile as they come and Defi (for me) will only be seen at his best over further, but should anything happen to these Fakir could easily find himself back in the Queen Mother discussion.
JOB will have his view obviously but JP will not be left without a dart for this race...

Can't possibly discount Fakir. We will all need to see the first few races to guage who goes where. Trainers have been made to look stupid in the past regarding their horses targets/trip requirements so nothing can be written off yet

[jack1092]

If it came up soft i could see them considering here, but for me he's a stayer in the making and his best chance of progressing to open g1 level is upped in trip. Even then he'll likely fall short.

[Lobos]

If it came up soft i could see them considering here, but for me he's a stayer in the making and his best chance of progressing to open g1 level is upped in trip. Even then he'll likely fall short.

Yep, ground conditions will be a big factor.

[gjt7756]

Harsh comment saying Le Richebourg is as fragile as they come, Ran 15 times in 2 years then the horse picked up one bad injury, was ready to run at Aintree/Punchestown this year if they went ahead, I certainly have him onside in case he retains that novice chase form, would have surely won the Arkle

[Istabraq]

Harsh comment saying Le Richebourg is as fragile as they come, Ran 15 times in 2 years then the horse picked up one bad injury, was ready to run at Aintree/Punchestown this year if they went ahead, I certainly have him onside in case he retains that novice chase form, would have surely won the Arkle

That’s a fair comment.
As I said earlier in the thread, I’m just biter from holding Arkle and Queen Mother vouchers for the past two years.
But you were right to correct me...

[Kevloaf]

Harsh comment saying Le Richebourg is as fragile as they come, Ran 15 times in 2 years then the horse picked up one bad injury, was ready to run at Aintree/Punchestown this year if they went ahead, I certainly have him onside in case he retains that novice chase form, would have surely won the Arkle

That’s a fair comment.
As I said earlier in the thread, I’m just biter from holding Arkle and Queen Mother vouchers for the past two years.
But you were right to correct me...

That's actually tempted me to back him.

I need to go to bed I'm getting a bit trigger happy

[gjt7756]

That’s a fair comment.
As I said earlier in the thread, I’m just biter from holding Arkle and Queen Mother vouchers for the past two years.
But you were right to correct me...

I know what you mean, held nothing on him last season but he was by far my biggest looser for the 2019 Festival with the Arkle, he was my banker that year!! Willing to give him 2 runs this side of Christmas hopefully to show he still retains that class and wellbeing

[gjt7756]

That's actually tempted me to back him.

I need to go to bed I'm getting a bit trigger happy

I’m not one to egg people on but the 33/1 available could be a steal...!! Especially when several ahead of him in the market won’t even be aimed at the race

[Lobos]

Harsh comment saying Le Richebourg is as fragile as they come, Ran 15 times in 2 years then the horse picked up one bad injury, was ready to run at Aintree/Punchestown this year if they went ahead, I certainly have him onside in case he retains that novice chase form, would have surely won the Arkle

Very good reasoning

[Kevloaf]

I’m not one to egg people on but the 33/1 available could be a steal...!! Especially when several ahead of him in the market won’t even be aimed at the race

Yeah, of course the market is nowhere near 100% so the effect of runners shorter than him not running may not make a difference, however the end result is the same... the target should be clear and I'd kick myself for not backing him.,

Like plenty on here, I had Cilaos Emery for the Arkle that year and when he fell away I was confident Le Richebourg would pick up the pieces.

Still, with cashout, it's too tempting to turn down...#563

[gjt7756]

Yeah, of course the market is nowhere near 100% so the effect of runners shorter than him not running may not make a difference, however the end result is the same... the target should be clear and I'd kick myself for not backing him.,

Like plenty on here, I had Cilaos Emery for the Arkle that year and when he fell away I was confident Le Richebourg would pick up the pieces.

Still, with cashout, it's too tempting to turn down...#563

All it would take is a convincing come back run and he would be near top of the market, and if he has a so so comeback his price would likely stay the same due to time off the track and see how he goes 2nd time out, you’d hope nothing to loose with cash out available

[TigerRolllllll]

Agree with all comments on Le Richebourg and joined the party

I think 3 horses standout as value bets at the moment.....specially, given how fragile the favs in betting are and several others won't go

Le Richebourg, Prolitologue and Defi are some of my biggest winners in book at moment

[jono]

I can't quite buy into Le Richebourg. It's a good sign that he would have potentially been due to run last Spring but we've had a few false dawns in regards to his comeback run over the last couple of years. So it's no gurantee he'd have been declared come raceday.

2 missed festivals is a huge red flag. To chance him after that i'd have been wanting his previous form to have really stacked up by now. But for me that's not the case. His hurdles form left a lot to be desired. He did step up markedly when going chasing, and was the clear stand out in the Arkle Irish trials but he was involved in a shocking 2m novice division, which 2 years on has produced nothing of note. Though it's assumed he would have won the Arkle...on the day, on a line with Us And Them it would have been hard for him to beat DdG in that ground, considering it's been noted several times how he isn't suited by soft. (granted Us and them hs also been labelled with the same brush)
I will acknowledge the Drinmore second adds some weight to the strength of his chase form as on paper form with Delta Work is strong but over 2m4, i'm not sure it's strong as it would suggest.

No harm with cashout of course. But not on my radar at all for this until he proves otherwise.

[Quevega]

Le Richebourg was top of the class.
Unfortunately he missed exam day.
Then misses a year of study.
The class he was in are Subsequently proven to be dunces.
And he's now coming back to get his degree.

Not saying he won't win, stranger things have happened, but I'm not backing him.
I know dunces is harsh, just fitted better.

[Lobos]

Probably good advice to wait for Le Rich to have an entry first before jumping in. I doubt he's even popped over a fence yet this season and anything can happen when they are back in full training.