Gold Cup 2021

[FinalFurlong91]

Minella Indo didn’t get out of 3rd gear there. A big positive was his jumping, solid throughout. When will he really be tested now?? Lexus at Christmas or a race before?

“You couldn’t have asked him to do it any better. He jumped really well and did everything he had to do.

“I would imagine we’ll aim towards the Savills Chase at Christmas, I think that will be our next one.

“He’s had two nice races for second-season novices and now we have to go against the big lads and see how we fare there.”

I really can't see anything that will beat him in the savills from Ireland tbh

[The King Pimm]

“You couldn’t have asked him to do it any better. He jumped really well and did everything he had to do.

“I would imagine we’ll aim towards the Savills Chase at Christmas, I think that will be our next one.

“He’s had two nice races for second-season novices and now we have to go against the big lads and see how we fare there.”

I really can't see anything that will beat him in the savills from Ireland tbh

I’ve just found out the Savills Chase is the Lexus Chase, same race but new sponsor

[Kautothegreat8]

Ok so theres some unfinished business for Minella Indo. Should already have the RSA under his belt. This year is the year to show hes the best staying chaser around. The faster they go the better and the Gold Cup is a perfect fit. COME ON INDO !!!!!

[Hardy Eustace]

Is it too early for me to start doubting the strength of last years gold cup form?

This is how the horses who ran in it have faired on the next start...

delta work - well beat
monalee - well beat
lostintranslation- well beat
Real Steel - well beat
Kemboy - well beat.

of course CDO, Bristol de mai and presenting percy have all exceeded expectations since the GC but the list above is starting to make me question the validity of the form. They went no gallop after all and it’s possible that has skewed the result.

Makes me a little nervous about santini and ABP. I haven’t backed either yet but am thinking about ABP.

[Kautostar]

Is it too early for me to start doubting the strength of last years gold cup form?

This is how the horses who ran in it have faired on the next start...

delta work - well beat
monalee - well beat
lostintranslation- well beat
Real Steel - well beat
Kemboy - well beat.

of course CDO, Bristol de mai and presenting percy have all exceeded expectations since the GC but the list above is starting to make me question the validity of the form. They went no gallop after all and it’s possible that has skewed the result.

Makes me a little nervous about santini and ABP. I haven’t backed either yet but am thinking about ABP.

This a wind up??? ABP.....the two time gold cup winner....

[Outlaw]

Is it too early for me to start doubting the strength of last years gold cup form?

This is how the horses who ran in it have faired on the next start...

delta work - well beat
monalee - well beat
lostintranslation- well beat
Real Steel - well beat
Kemboy - well beat.

of course CDO, Bristol de mai and presenting percy have all exceeded expectations since the GC but the list above is starting to make me question the validity of the form. They went no gallop after all and it’s possible that has skewed the result.

Makes me a little nervous about santini and ABP. I haven’t backed either yet but am thinking about ABP.

Might of flattered some of the above's proximity to the winner but impossible to crab APB, Santini will be bang there again you'd expect and don't forget how many horses struggle to line up again the following year hence why 2nd season chaser are always so popular.

[Kevloaf]

I won't bore people covering old ground, as Percy Certainty has had as much written about him on this forum over the last few years than as other horse, if not more and we all know how we feel about him.

While I am under no illusion whatsoever that his best chance is behind him, as much as I like Pat Kelly's strike rate, it's impossible to argue that Gordon Elliott isn't a massive upgrade.


50/1 is/was a fair enough stab when Elliott only really has Delta Work in his arsenal, as I don't imagine Battleoverdoyen will be good enough and it's a fair leap with Champagne Classic too.

As good as Gordon is, a mark of 165 isn't workable and there is just no freaking way the handicapper would let Percy into a handicap hurdle off anything but top weight either, no matter how creative they try and get.


Whilst it's feasible he gets plotted towards a marathon trip (Irish Grand National) I believe his festival record entitles him to be campaigned like the good horse he is.



Delighted to have 50/1, but I'm perfectly aware 50/1 is closer to fair than it is good value.

Must be some sort of admin error or glitch, as this post just keeps popping up.

[Kautothegreat8]

Hard to crab ABP but LIT is clearly over hyped and the fact Santini got so close to him in last years gold cup is a little strange to me. Just my view but I'm not having Santini as a too class 3 miler and I think time will prove me right on that one. I believe Minella Indo will prove a much stiffer test for ABP this year.

[Outlaw]

Kev, more of a glitch you being Awol these last few days, rumour has it Lobos was ready to take over the moderator duties

[Outlaw]

Hard to crab ABP but LIT is clearly over hyped and the fact Santini got so close to him in last years gold cup is a little strange to me. Just my view but I'm not having Santini as a too class 3 miler and I think time will prove me right on that one. I believe Minella Indo will prove a much stiffer test for ABP this year.

He might not be a top class 3miler at most courses but at chelt up that hill it's hard to envisage more than 3 ahead of him especially in a true run race.

[Kautothegreat8]

In a true run gold cup I dont believe Santini has the tactical speed to go with them. Last year they went no pace at all. Minella indo will ensure it's a true run race this year. I'd be surprised if Santini finishes at all.

[Outlaw]

In a true run gold cup I dont believe Santini has the tactical speed to go with them. Last year they went no pace at all. Minella indo will ensure it's a true run race this year. I'd be surprised if Santini finishes at all.

If he hadn't any tactical speed why did he finish 2nd in a falsie run race ? that would favour a speedier horse than himself, if it was good to soft and they went a decent lick he might well be off the pace for the first circuit and a half but come the final two id still expect him to be staying on. Soft or worse would be ideal for him granted.

[Kautothegreat8]

His cruising speed is none existent. He wont be in striking distance come the finish. It's one thing plodding round in his comfort zone ...... take him out of that and let's see what happens

[Kevloaf]

His cruising speed is none existent. He wont be in striking distance come the finish. It's one thing plodding round in his comfort zone ...... take him out of that and let's see what happens

I mean this politely, have you seen some of the Gold Cups we've had in recent years?

Dour Stayers / BOATS have won more than one Gold Cup....

Lord Windemere.
Synchronised.
Native River
Bobs Worth

Mon Mome placed, as did Neptune Collonges and Anibale Fly.... Grand National types .... Don Poli placed too

Point being, being a dour stayer with "no tactical pace" doesn't rule you out of this extreme test of stamina.


In some years, of course, classier horses will win....but ruling him out is a bit silly when he was a head away last year?


Also, whenever people say that, I always wonder why it can't be run the same way again....if it was run the same way, but in slightly softer ground, is Santini still easy to just point blank dismiss?




I don't see how anyone can be so bold given the above, but I have splinters on my arse

[Altior]

Bob's Worth too, had about twelve diesel engines in him.