Gold Cup 2021

[Willdunn99]

Saw this earlier , listed @ 66/1 as a couple of firms apparently offering it. I don’t for one second believe they actually are.

Ah okay can see it there now, paddy power 66/1, had to check but can confirm they haven’t pushed him out !

[The King Pimm]

I’m gutted for anyone who lost out on TOTG. I lost a point but potentially 2 good roll ups. That aside I was really looking forward to seeing him run again, he such a big horse he’s a bit freakish and really exciting to watch. I remember the race he started way behind every other horse after starting really slow and powering home at the end. I hope he does race again, he may end up a Grand National horse one day hopefully.

[qzy]

Saw this earlier , listed @ 66/1 as a couple of firms apparently offering it. I don’t for one second believe they actually are.

If you clicked through it was actually Min @66/1, likely an Oddschecker script error

[Altior]

Leaves me with LIT for this. Can't have ABP or Santini at the price, although wouldn't fault anyone for backing either and like last year Santini could win me over. Another point or two sweeter and I might back him. Can't have Champ in a month of Sundays. So that leaves me with LIT. If that aul twiddly Tizzard is feeding his horses ale and turnips and LIT still did what he did last year then I'm willing to risk Tizzard remembering he's a trainer. Happy enough with Delta Work at long odds after LTO. Think I might leave it there happy enough with Santini maybe being the only other possibility.

Gutted over TOTG, absolute freak of a horse, too freakish for his own good.

[Kevloaf]

LIT at 14/1 is the next 'likely' shortener in the market isn't he?

Favourite for the Betfair Chase, he's the next runner near the head of the market?



I am repeating myself, but I just like every horse in this. I can't rule any out really.

LIT is one I may try and get a roll up on though in the coming days...

[charlie]

LIT at 14/1 is the next 'likely' shortener in the market isn't he?

Favourite for the Betfair Chase, he's the next runner near the head of the market?

I am repeating myself, but I just like every horse in this. I can't rule any out really.

LIT is one I may try and get a roll up on though in the coming days...

I love LIT, but am trying to weigh up how much his prep affected his Cheltenham run, if at all, because it went perfectly and he still didn't win. Jumped better than anything else in the field the whole way round, got the dream trip travelling the minimum distance and still found ABP and Santini too good. I do really like him though. He's on the cusp.

[Kevloaf]

I love LIT, but am trying to weigh up how much his prep affected his Cheltenham run, if at all, because it went perfectly and he still didn't win. Jumped better than anything else in the field the whole way round, got the dream trip travelling the minimum distance and still found ABP and Santini too good. I do really like him though. He's on the cusp.

I think it went badly didn't it? Is that in the public domain or just what I've heard?

I agree he's on the cusp, I actually thought he was 9/1 in my head but I have no idea why... when someone made me check again and I saw 14/1 I did start watching him back again.



If I could only have 1 dart, it wouldn't be Lostintranslation at 14/1 though, nobody would have him as their number 1 would they?

Maybe they would.



It's too hard this race, right now

[Outlaw]

I love LIT, but am trying to weigh up how much his prep affected his Cheltenham run, if at all, because it went perfectly and he still didn't win. Jumped better than anything else in the field the whole way round, got the dream trip travelling the minimum distance and still found ABP and Santini too good. I do really like him though. He's on the cusp.

Exactly he got a lovely trip with no errors in a race that was more speed emphasised than stamina, I fail to see how he can improve much further when everything went right and if it was a stamina sapper(Santini/Indo will set an honest pace one way or another) like the year before i'm not sold on the idea that would suit.

[jono]

Agree with charlie (I started writing this before I saw your reply so i'm going over old ground a little!)

Is Lostintranslation going to get a better chance than this year? Ever?

- Jumped well throughout with no mistakes
- Race was ran to suit him - at a bit of a crawl so arguably wasn't as much of a stamina test as some renewals
- Marginally jumped the last in the lead
- 8 Years old

The only argument against him last season was the Tizzard form? But he tends to have a lacklustre festival year after year in truth.
2018 Tizzard was going through the same kind of festival but Native River was able to get the job done (along with Kilbricken Storm)
I'm not one to take a cold streak too literally as a reason to why a horse may improve the season after.

He's not the worst price. 1.5L behind Santini who is half the price. But I can't help but feel his chance has gone.
For me everything went right for LIT last season, he ran a huge race, his best performance of the season. But still came up short.

I do really like the horse. The King George could be hard to win but I think he'll put in a big run there this winter.
Just didn't turn up at all last season. Some horses just don't suit Kempton (Santini, Native River, Bobs Worth) but he wouldn't be one i'd put in that bracket at all.
Cue Card ran a similar shocker on his first go at the race and then came back year after year in it. I could see LIT doing the same.
I'd rather back LIT at 7/1 for the King George than 14/1 for the Gold Cup personally.

[Kevloaf]

I'd rather back LIT at 7/1 for the King George than 14/1 for the Gold Cup personally.

I don't know if I agree with that.

I don't know if I disagree though.




I'm going to bow out of the Gold Cup conversation for a bit. I'm nowhere near any use in it at the moment

[Super Raven]

Lostintranslation is definitely one to keep an eye on. His prep last year couldn't have gone much worse with pulling up in KG. Compare that to Al Boum Photo who's preparation was the same as the previous year. To finish 3rd was a great run especially with the yards form and I think he will improve this year. I agree with Kevloaf, I would have him around 8 or 9/1. I think 14s is a good price.

[Outlaw]

Lostintranslation is definitely one to keep an eye on. His prep last year couldn't have gone much worse with pulling up in KG. Compare that to Al Boum Photo who's preparation was the same as the previous year. To finish 3rd was a great run especially with the yards form and I think he will improve this year. I agree with Kevloaf, I would have him around 8 or 9/1. I think 14s is a good price.

The thing with his price is that unless he runs well in the Betfair chase/KG it could easily get pushed out. So if you're backing at 14s you're also backing he wins/narrowly beaten in the Betfair & goes close in the KG.

[Super Raven]

The thing with his price is that unless he runs well in the Betfair chase/KG it could easily get pushed out. So if you're backing at 14s you're also backing he wins/narrowly beaten in the Betfair & goes close in the KG.

But at the same time it could easily go in... this is why I think 14s is a good price when I personally think it should be 10s max. I expect him to go very close/win the betfair chase as many probably do which will mean his price will shorten to probably 8/1? then you have missed the price. Then you have a free run at the KG. if he goes close or even wins, great, the price will go shorter. If he doesn't run particularly well (like last year) then it will probably be pushed back out to the original price which you have already got. I would be hugely surprised his price is any bigger than 14s on race day.

[charlie]

But at the same time it could easily go in... this is why I think 14s is a good price when I personally think it should be 10s max. I expect him to go very close/win the betfair chase as many probably do which will mean his price will shorten to probably 8/1? then you have missed the price. Then you have a free run at the KG. if he goes close or even wins, great, the price will go shorter. If he doesn't run particularly well (like last year) then it will probably be pushed back out to the original price which you have already got. I would be hugely surprised his price is any bigger than 14s on race day.

Personally I think they'd be mad to go KG with LIT, what's the point. Clearly didn't act round Kempton for whatever reason. Take in the Betfair Chase, miss Kempton and then either go straight to Cheltenham, or run in the Cotswold Chase. If he were mine that would be the plan

[Quevega]

Personally I think they'd be mad to go KG with LIT, what's the point. Clearly didn't act round Kempton for whatever reason. Take in the Betfair Chase, miss Kempton and then either go straight to Cheltenham, or run in the Cotswold Chase. If he were mine that would be the plan

He'd be better in the Lexus vs KG