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Gold Cup 2021

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  • Originally posted by archie View Post
    There can be no doubt that ABP should be favourite at this stage. You can argue all you like about the value at 6/1 but he's 6/1 because that's the shortest price that people are prepared to take this far out. The serious contenders will only appear in November at the earliest so, unless some drop by the wayside before then, there is no reason why his price should contract significantly in that time.

    It's perfectly legitimate for a time limited free bet or to use him in a double to get a decent price on the second horse but backing him with real money in a single isn't a strategy that would interest me for a couple of months or more.
    He's only 6's in a few places now and that'll be gone in a couple of weeks when the stable tours come around. I've backed him in a single and have several doubles with the current heads of markets to hopefully roll over on him. I'm hoping it'll be a super Friday.

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    • Willie's stable tour for atr is usually in the second half of October.

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      • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
        He's only 6's in a few places now and that'll be gone in a couple of weeks when the stable tours come around. I've backed him in a single and have several doubles with the current heads of markets to hopefully roll over on him. I'm hoping it'll be a super Friday.
        What will the stable tour reveal? That he’s going for the Gold Cup again?

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        • Top of the game going straight to the Ladbroke trophy, Nicholls must be confident in my opinion, won’t be nothing to do with his injury or fragility, will be plenty fit and cherry ripe!!

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          • Originally posted by gjt7756 View Post
            Top of the game going straight to the Ladbroke trophy, Nicholls must be confident in my opinion, won’t be nothing to do with his injury or fragility, will be plenty fit and cherry ripe!!
            Thats one im going to get a nice ammount on the over the next few weeks hopefully he lines up!

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            • Even a decent showing in the Ladbroke will see the price tumble, baring in mind he was 33/1 in March and without even a run he’s already down to 12/1.....!

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              • There's 2 decent sky specials, Envoi to win any race and TOTG to be placed in GC @ 12/1 or if you prefer TOTG to win GC @ 60/1. Both very fair I'd say if you want to get TOTG onside.

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                • I agree TOTG won’t have to win the Hennessy to see his price retract, a positive showing will be seen a huge positive for a horse who will have been off the track for approaching 2 years.
                  I don’t think I was alone in snaring the 150/1 Hennessy/Gold Cup double, I managed to back this a few times so have a very decent return should it cop, I’ll be looking to lay him (Win only) in the Hennessy as cover and if that costs me I have a great position heading into the Gold Cup.
                  He’s a definite player...

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                  • If he wins the hennesey ill need envoi allen and eaysland for A LOT of money thanks to Aramon tarting that bet off in the galway hurle!

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                    • Originally posted by gjt7756 View Post
                      Top of the game going straight to the Ladbroke trophy, Nicholls must be confident in my opinion, won’t be nothing to do with his injury or fragility, will be plenty fit and cherry ripe!!
                      Pym is huge price @ 33/1 for Hennessy if ground is g/s or better

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                      • Hard to get excited about a horse thats PU on two previous starts, but his beating of Imperial Aura reads well now, although that horse could of had an eye on getting handicapped for the Festival so probably dangerous to take that form literally.

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                        • Originally posted by billymag View Post
                          Hard to get excited about a horse thats PU on two previous starts, but his beating of Imperial Aura reads well now, although that horse could of had an eye on getting handicapped for the Festival so probably dangerous to take that form literally.
                          His two PU's can easily be excused. First was at Ascot which was truly desperate ground and that bottomed him out (like every other horse that ran that day) for Cheltenham where he got his 2nd PU.

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                          • I thought Pym might have been better than he showed at Ascot and then Cheltenham, although he maybe has the ground excuse for the last 2 runs.

                            I know Kim Bailey thought/thinks a lot of Imperial Aura prior to the festival so when Pym beat him fairly comfortably at Cheltenham I went in on him for the RSA. Soon followed by backing Imerial Aura for the novice handicap.

                            Will see where he’s entered next but he could possibly be a decent handicap plot for cheltenham but not something Henderson may look at.

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                            • Originally posted by Craigy14 View Post
                              I thought Pym might have been better than he showed at Ascot and then Cheltenham, although he maybe has the ground excuse for the last 2 runs.

                              I know Kim Bailey thought/thinks a lot of Imperial Aura prior to the festival so when Pym beat him fairly comfortably at Cheltenham I went in on him for the RSA. Soon followed by backing Imerial Aura for the novice handicap.

                              Will see where he’s entered next but he could possibly be a decent handicap plot for cheltenham but not something Henderson may look at.
                              The Ladbroke could be an interesting option for him.

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                              • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
                                The Ladbroke could be an interesting option for him.
                                It could well be. He’d be on a fairly decent mark given his last 2 runs.

                                Couldn’t see him troubling TOTG though if he’s on top form again, which it very much sounds like Paul Nicholls is going to have him ready for.

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