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Originally posted by Lobos
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Does that not worry you?
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What about her jumping in last years ICH where she jumped 4 of the 8 obstacles very slowly?
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As I say , her jumping in the Mares Hurdle and last time was immaculate. She's better this season in many aspects to my eye. She does look quicker too. I am slightly biased though......Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post
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She completely bungled the last in the mares hurdle, it almost cost her the raceOriginally posted by Lobos View Post
As I say , her jumping in the Mares Hurdle and last time was immaculate. She's better this season in many aspects to my eye. She does look quicker too. I am slightly biased though......
Her jumping over 2m4f has always been generally fine
It was over 2 miles that it fell apart, at that faster pace
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She'll be fine. They looked to have sharpened her right up last time. All will be revealed soon anyway. Let Honeysuckle do the talking.Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View PostComment
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I didnt think she was impressive at all last timeOriginally posted by Lobos View Post
I have her in multis for the mares hurdle so hoping that she just needed the run, she didn't have a prep for the Hattons grace like the previous yearComment
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Last year connections publicly stated the Champion Hurdle was an option pre Irish Champion Hurdle, which she won, then they went mares. What's changed baring the been there done that got the t-shirt....?Originally posted by Lobos View Post
The Hatton's Grace was a truly rubbish Grade 1, and she's nearly been picked up by Ronald Pump. Post race the vast majority on here recognised she was not a CH horse. What's changed?
As FF91 eluded to, her jumping over 2m has been noticeably worse than over 2m4f. What's changed? (post race different story, but as a bet now, what's changed?)
IMO a win in the ICH will not be enough on its own to send her here. The manner of the victory will dictate that. She needs to show she has the speed to go 2m in proper company, and then jump low and fast the way you expect a champion hurdle winner to do. She didn't do enough last year to persuade connections, and off the back of that performance in the Hatton's Grace, I don't think she'll do enough this year.
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The Hatton's Grace this year was trash opposition in a race run at a slow pace. It turned into a sprint and she nearly got done by Ronald Pump! Aside from running a much quicker time in 2019, how is beating Apple's Jade by 13 lengths the previous year not significantly more impressive that what was achieved this time around? I think your love for Honeysuckle is your Achilles heal LobosOriginally posted by Lobos View Post
As I say , her jumping in the Mares Hurdle and last time was immaculate. She's better this season in many aspects to my eye. She does look quicker too. I am slightly biased though......
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Taking on Epatante When quizzed about whether having a Cheltenham festival victory already “banked” may make connections more willing to consider taking on Epatante in the champion, the trainer didn’t dismiss the idea.
“You’d always be tempted by races like the Champion Hurdle but we’ll head for the Irish Champion Hurdle and then maybe we will firm up on plans,” said De Bromhead
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Ribble Valley was mentioned to me a while back for this race but after it was beaten by Epatante and and SR it all went quiet. Then drifted to 100/1!!
Does anyone have any info on this horse at all? I expect his chances are very slim given the competition.Comment
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Running at Haydock in Champion Hurdle trial in 2 weeks time.Originally posted by Thethinker87 View PostComment
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A quote that really can go either way. Some (cough, LobosOriginally posted by Lobos View Post
) will interpret this as CH is firmly on the cards. To me the words 'tempted, but, maybe' smack of a man who either doesn't know, or has already decided.
The ICH and manner of victory (if she wins) is so important now for this mare. HDB will know like the rest of us (barring you Lobos) that Honeysuckle was much more impressive when winning at Fairyhouse on debut in 2019 than 2020, so she's gonna have to find a performance better than last year to sway them.
Possible though, she's a super mare. I may even have to take 7/1 NRNB just to avoid to avalanche of shit that would inevitably come my way were she to go here and win
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I'd say take a flier with the 20/1 to win both races and get her on board that way.Originally posted by charlie View Post
A quote that really can go either way. Some (cough, Lobos) will interpret this as CH is firmly on the cards. To me the words 'tempted, but, maybe' smack of a man who either doesn't know, or has already decided.
The ICH and manner of victory (if she wins) is so important now for this mare. HDB will know like the rest of us (barring you Lobos) that Honeysuckle was much more impressive when winning at Fairyhouse on debut in 2019 than 2020, so she's gonna have to find a performance better than last year to sway them.
Possible though, she's a super mare. I may even have to take 7/1 NRNB just to avoid to avalanche of shit that would inevitably come my way were she to go here and winComment
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For someone like yourself, who thinks she won't come here....unless she blows them away..... surely NRNB 7/1 is worth it for you?Originally posted by charlie View Post
A quote that really can go either way. Some (cough, Lobos) will interpret this as CH is firmly on the cards. To me the words 'tempted, but, maybe' smack of a man who either doesn't know, or has already decided.
The ICH and manner of victory (if she wins) is so important now for this mare. HDB will know like the rest of us (barring you Lobos) that Honeysuckle was much more impressive when winning at Fairyhouse on debut in 2019 than 2020, so she's gonna have to find a performance better than last year to sway them.
Possible though, she's a super mare. I may even have to take 7/1 NRNB just to avoid to avalanche of shit that would inevitably come my way were she to go here and win
If she does what you don't think, and smashes them, you'd have to re-assess her and no doubt you'd have her shorter, maybe half the price or less?
I'm of the opinion she could win and this season as they've already won the Mares it's possible they do throw her in to the CH this time, which is stopping me.- I only want Honeysuckle onside if she's won the Irish Champion Hurdle, really well
I suppose, I would have the option to cash out.... is she likely to go off 7/1 or bigger under any circumstances, that's the question? ... and then, would you want her onside at 6/1 and 5/1 ?Comment
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Do you think she'll shorten drastically from that 7/1 should they decide to tackle the Champion Hurdle ?Originally posted by charlie View PostI may even have to take 7/1 NRNB just to avoid to avalanche of shit that would inevitably come my way were she to go here and win
9 weeks to go and an Irish champion hurdle in between she won last year and still swerved the weakest champion hurdle in memory, she'd have to win hard held to drop to say 4/1 and even then some would argue 4/1 in 9 weeks time is better value than 7/1 now.
It's the NRNB insurance that's swaying you (and others) I think and not her chances of winning the race...Comment
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She would go 7/2 or shorter if she won the Irish Champion I reckon.Originally posted by Istabraq View Post
She's unbeaten and popular.Comment
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