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  • Originally posted by charlie View Post

    Yeh I am leaning this way CCM but I'd like some fu*king noise from WPM on the matter. These entries and withdrawals without a peep do leave him a ?
    Worse with no entry and no peeps?

    He mentioned Saldier before the Morgiana, so it's not been absolute silence?



    Give him a bell.

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    • Originally posted by charlie View Post

      Yeh I am leaning this way CCM but I'd like some fu*king noise from WPM on the matter. These entries and withdrawals without a peep do leave him a ?
      Yes they do mate. Its not an ABP situation where you know the plan has been specifically set out. As a backer though I never thought the Hattons Grace was a great starting point tbh so was quite happy to see him come out.

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      • What am I missing with Epatante? How is she 2.12 to win tomorrow on the exchange?

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        • Originally posted by Another Value Loser View Post
          What am I missing with Epatante? How is she 2.12 to win tomorrow on the exchange?
          I thought the 2.02/4 was as big as she might get last night. It's good to see people prepared to lay an opinion and not just 1/2% above bookies odds. Fair play.

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          • Originally posted by Another Value Loser View Post
            What am I missing with Epatante? How is she 2.12 to win tomorrow on the exchange?
            The ground will really suit Sceau Royal but evens is a fair old price for Epatante and even with everything being right for Sceau Royal - Epatante should surely be too good shouldnt she?

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            • Originally posted by Hardy Eustace View Post

              The ground will really suit Sceau Royal but evens is a fair old price for Epatante and even with everything being right for Sceau Royal - Epatante should surely be too good shouldnt she?
              Yup, my thoughts exactly

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              • She's just not bomb proof is she I suppose.

                If she's going be to be beaten, it's with tomorrows factors that the ground suits others more, it's her first run and the others are fit and this isn't her main aim, whereas the others it might be?


                Still, she is the best horse and taking a view that she'll still win means you're rewarded with odds against, which in hindsight may look silly.

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                • Out to 2.24 now. Someone is keen to lay her!

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                  • Maybe she's been working at home with Flinteur

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                    • Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post
                      Out to 2.24 now. Someone is keen to lay her!
                      Very, very strange. Ummmmmm

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                      • Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post
                        Out to 2.24 now. Someone is keen to lay her!
                        Dare I say it....maybe she's not turning up?

                        Might be worth dutching the two against her at this point

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                        • Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post
                          Out to 2.24 now. Someone is keen to lay her!
                          I don’t know how it would work but could the fact that Betfair are giving everyone a ?5 bet on the race on the exchange mean perhaps nobody’s sticking it on the odds on fav and so the rest are shortening slightly and thus her drifting? I’m just guessing.

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                          • Originally posted by Middle_Of_March View Post

                            I don’t know how it would work but could the fact that Betfair are giving everyone a ?5 bet on the race on the exchange mean perhaps nobody’s sticking it on the odds on fav and so the rest are shortening slightly and thus her drifting? I’m just guessing.
                            Thanks for highlighting the free bet and like you say it's hardly worth chucking at epatante to win ?6 so I've put mine on Ribble Valley.

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                            • The worry with Saldier for me is that it seems to be niggle after niggle, with no word from connections on his wellbeing and specifically what issue(s) have kept his appearances so limited over the last few years.

                              Last year, upon ruling him out of Cheltenham we got given "He just didn’t come out of the Morgiana as I would have liked"

                              Patrick Mullins was on a podcast, released yesterday (though could have been recorded anytime beforehand) where he said he was good, Paul will ride. etc.
                              His fragility was mentioned but you certainly would have assumed he ran in the Hattons Grace off the back of it.

                              On the declarations for the Morgiana, with Saldier missing Joe Chambers gave a single reply on twitter when asked if he was ok having been taken out.
                              I know this one is especially loose but again, the lack of any kind of detail. When in fairness he is usually pretty good with giving out updates.

                              Granted, connections have no obligation to update us. I completely get that we do not, nor should we know every issue a horse has, or anywhere near the full details.
                              But betting is part and parcel of the game. Every week connections throughout the sport are asked on the wellbeing of certain horses.
                              Mullins himself will often give some form of detail to most horses.

                              The smallest bit of detail to what just one of the setbacks occured would be helpful?
                              Could anyone name an issue with the horse since the 2019 Morgiana where he has been entered and then taken out of the:

                              Matheson Hurdle (December 2019)
                              Irish Champion Hurdle (February 2020)
                              Morgiana (Nov 2020)
                              Hattons Grace ( Dec 2020)

                              Or perhaps he hasn't actually had many/any specific setbacks as such.
                              And he is just very hit and miss, where when he is right, he clearly is very good, but for the majority of time shows very little at home and just isn't up for the racetrack.

                              A complete guessing game with the horse really.
                              Which makes backing the horse even more of a minefield (sadly, having backed myself)

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                              • Really worried about Epatante being a NR tomorrow!! Got her in a bunch of roll ups!

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