Champion Hurdle 2021

[Craigy14]

Why not though? He has the horses to do what he likes.

I sense you're worried about Saldier taking on your sweetheart

That’s where I think he’ll end up.

Reading Mullins quote he mentions the Hattons Grace firstly as if he wouldn’t be ready for the Morgiana. Hindsight obviously easy to read it like that now.

[opatcho]

and Abacadabras 25/1 with WH

I may take that to help cover aba, will have a mull over it over tonight

[Kevloaf]

Did somebody bring up how Mullins gets on when he only has 1 dart in the Morgiana?

It may have been me that looked into it to be fair but I can't remember if there was any useful information.

[ComplyOrDie]

Did somebody bring up how Mullins gets on when he only has 1 dart in the Morgiana?

It may have been me that looked into it to be fair but I can't remember if there was any useful information.

He's won the last 9 renewals That's all that is needed I think

[Kevloaf]

He's won the last 9 renewals That's all that is needed I think

Haha, good point. Can't have been the Morgiana can it really

[Lobos]

Did somebody bring up how Mullins gets on when he only has 1 dart in the Morgiana?

It may have been me that looked into it to be fair but I can't remember if there was any useful information.

That's a good point actually and a good pointer to Saint Roi chances. They must think he is Very good.

[Quevega]

Morgiana is not going to tell us as much as would be ideal.
A piss poor renewal.
Only who is the best second season hurdler.
And how they compare.
The pace of the race would be a worry also, unless Couer sublime goes on at a good gallop.
If Supasundae does either of them, whichever pace the race is run, then thats game over (just about)

[charlie]

Saldier not declared

Abacadabras
Coeur Sublime
Jason The Militant
Saint Roi
Supasundae

Ffs that's a real kick in the bollocks - out of all the racing this weekend he was the one I was most looking forward to and IMO the best priced bet of the weekend. Sadly no more

[Kevloaf]

Morgiana is not going to tell us as much as would be ideal.
A piss poor renewal.
Only who is the best second season hurdler.
And how they compare.
The pace of the race would be a worry also, unless Couer sublime goes on at a good gallop.
If Supasundae does either of them, whichever pace the race is run, then thats game over (just about)

I'm not sure I completely agree with it being a piss poor renewal?


If I had to do a 1-2-3 in the Champion Hurdle right now (taking prices out of it) 2 of the 3 are in this race!



For me, this is a clash between two Champion Hurdle candidates... and they also need to prove they're better than the likes of Couer Sublime and Supasundae to show that they are up to the task.... as if you're beaten by any of those, the chances of being CH class are vastly diminished.




So, I don't think that's piss poor. Right now

[opatcho]

Wait until our 2 mile hurdlers get started. Could be a one horse show with just Epatante
At least Ireland have some interesting contenders

[Quevega]

I'm not sure I completely agree with it being a piss poor renewal?


If I had to do a 1-2-3 in the Champion Hurdle right now (taking prices out of it) 2 of the 3 are in this race!



For me, this is a clash between two Champion Hurdle candidates... and they also need to prove they're better than the likes of Couer Sublime and Supasundae to show that they are up to the task.... as if you're beaten by any of those, the chances of being CH class are vastly diminished.




So, I don't think that's piss poor. Right now

There's no proven grade 1 hurdler to compare them with. supasundae don't count any more.

It's like Goshen winning the fighting fifth against Ribble Valley, Cornerstone Lad & Ballyfuckingandy.

[Kevloaf]

There's no proven grade 1 hurdler to compare them with. supasundae don't count any more.

It's like Goshen winning the fighting fifth against Ribble Valley, Cornerstone Lad & Ballyfuckingandy.

It's not like that, it's like Goshen beating an actual contender, plus also-rans.

[Quevega]

It's not like that, it's like Goshen beating an actual contender, plus also-rans.

One of them probably won't be a serious contender though, after the race.
That's why it's a more to lose race, than gain.

The loser will be ruled out by most in any case.
Assuming a decisive win entails of course.

I think anything else than a decisive win for either and it's even more of a no serious clue's race.
Obviously they can come again and might be in the race still in March, with some sort of chance, but unlikely to be fancied.

[Kevloaf]

One of them probably won't be a serious contender though, after the race.
That's why it's a more to lose race, than gain.

The loser will be ruled out by most in any case.
Assuming a decisive win entails of course.

I think anything else than a decisive win for either and it's even more of a no serious clue's race.
Obviously they can come again and might be in the race still in March, with some sort of chance, but unlikely to be fancied.

What is your point though?

How does that prove the race is definitely piss poor?

Any race is a more to lose race for any favourite isn't it? Epatante won't have more to gain than lose no matter who she runs against FTO?



I disagree that one has to win decisively too, if they both come miles clear and flash past the line together, I think they'll be doing similar in March.




Essentially, you just don't like Abacadabras and never have, and must not like the idea of a handicapper progressing to be a G1 fav?

I think Saint Roi is an exception, his run was exceptional in the County Hurdle and I hope very much he continues to progressive and is a proper Grade 1 horse.






Personally, I'm unlikely to be 100% happy on Sunday, as whichever is beaten will hurt me - unless they're really close - where you are saying tat means they both have given no clue about their chances but I don't see why it has to be that way.


If they're close and Supasundae and Couer Sublime are 2L behind, it's not good...granted.

[Quevega]

What is your point though?

How does that prove the race is definitely piss poor?

Any race is a more to lose race for any favourite isn't it? Epatante won't have more to gain than lose no matter who she runs against FTO?



I disagree that one has to win decisively too, if they both come miles clear and flash past the line together, I think they'll be doing similar in March.




Essentially, you just don't like Abacadabras and never have, and must not like the idea of a handicapper progressing to be a G1 fav?

I think Saint Roi is an exception, his run was exceptional in the County Hurdle and I hope very much he continues to progressive and is a proper Grade 1 horse.






Personally, I'm unlikely to be 100% happy on Sunday, as whichever is beaten will hurt me - unless they're really close - where you are saying tat means they both have given no clue about their chances but I don't see why it has to be that way.


If they're close and Supasundae and Couer Sublime are 2L behind, it's not good...granted.

The race just needed a serious 2 miler in it, so that it gives us a bit of a steer as to how they slot in.

It's like Leeds playing Fulham & West Brom in their first 2 premier league matches, winning both then thinking they're going to be champions. And they are piss poor premier league games.
Or if they lost both games, knowing they're fucked.

I don't think I'd rule either horse out after Sunday.
All's I'm saying is it isn't telling us as much as would be ideal for an open grade one 2 mile hurdle.