Champion Hurdle 2021

[archie]

I'd like to find a trainer who hasn't at least tried manipulating handicap marks, even the best do, the difference being how good/patient some trainers are at actually doing it. You'll upset people in all walks of life, one way or another, horse racing is a competitive business, I guess you do what you can.

i think there's a distinction between two categories of manipulators. One would be 'renowned', eg Mark Prescott, and the other 'notorious', eg Charles Byrnes.

[Quevega]

https://www.attheraces.com/news/2020/September/27/goshen-fine-after-disappointing-haydock-comeback

Moore's excuses for Goshen's run, includes everything except the "little toe" "grey silks" & "the stable staff forgot to get him a birthday cake".

Should have left it at he wasn't fit/good enough on the day.

[ComplyOrDie]

https://www.attheraces.com/news/2020...ydock-comeback

Moore's excuses for Goshen's run, includes everything except the "little toe" "grey silks" & "the stable staff forgot to get him a birthday cake".

Should have left it at he wasn't fit/good enough on the day.

That link basically says race fitness the reason As well as being complimentary about the horses he faced. Are you a politician Q, twisting it all up like that?

Can't believe he wants to give him another flat run though

[Lobos]

That link basically says race fitness the reason As well as being complimentary about the horses he faced. Are you a politician Q, twisting it all up like that?

Can't believe he wants to give him another flat run though

He does say he 'hopes' he just needed the run which implies they don't know if it was just down to fitness.

[ComplyOrDie]

He does say he 'hopes' he just needed the run which implies they don't know if it was just down to fitness.

That's not an additional excuse though. He also said “He’s fine this morning – all good." implying there is no other issue. And the opening line from the writer is 'Gary Moore is putting Goshen’s disappointing comeback effort at Haydock down to a lack of fitness.' It's quite obvious really.

[The King Pimm]

https://www.attheraces.com/news/2020...ydock-comeback

Moore's excuses for Goshen's run, includes everything except the "little toe" "grey silks" & "the stable staff forgot to get him a birthday cake".

Should have left it at he wasn't fit/good enough on the day.

Brilliant

[Quevega]

That link basically says race fitness the reason As well as being complimentary about the horses he faced. Are you a politician Q, twisting it all up like that?

Can't believe he wants to give him another flat run though

Yep, I was just having a laugh with it really.
No need to talk up the 50-1 winners all weather rating though, and ignore he'd been last of 17 and last of 21 on his last two turf starts beaten 83 lengths in total. It's Moore who started the politics bullshit

[ComplyOrDie]

Yep, I was just having a laugh with it really.
No need to talk up the 50-1 winners all weather rating though, and ignore he'd been last of 17 and last of 21 on his last two turf starts beaten 83 lengths in total. It's Moore who started the politics bullshit

Fair enough Q

[Lobos]

That's not an additional excuse though. He also said “He’s fine this morning – all good." implying there is no other issue. And the opening line from the writer is 'Gary Moore is putting Goshen’s disappointing comeback effort at Haydock down to a lack of fitness.' It's quite obvious really.

The opening line is the writers comments though, not the trainers words. Could be down to fitness or could be just not good enough at that level on flat. Just stick to jumps I say. That's where his future lies surely.

[ComplyOrDie]

The opening line is the writers comments though, not the trainers words. Could be down to fitness or could be just not good enough at that level on flat. Just stick to jumps I say. That's where his future lies surely.

Oh yes, I agree, stick to jumps. It is somewhat frustrating that they feel the need to continue with the flat campaign, given he seems to be seen in better light over obstacles.

[Quevega]

He more than likely set too strong a gallop/given his fitness, and paid for it near the end. The rag came from the back.

I disagree with the comments that it has nothing to do with his Champion hurdle chances. It has something to do with it, but who's knows how much, a bit or a lot. Probably nearer a bit, for his fans and vice versa for his knockers.

I'm fully in the knockers camp, but mainly price related (anything below 20-1 really isn't value IMO) as the horse clearly has ability and could improve.

[charlie]

I like the look of Saldier @ 25/1. Who knows what Willie has up his sleeve (or yet to be purchased), but I think there's every chance this lad ends up his number one. I don't know too much about the injury but I remember Willie hopeful he'd make Punchestown so hopefully its nothing too serious. He was joint fav before the injury and the form works out pretty well. Convinced he would have beaten 2019 winner Espoir D'Allen were it not for falling at the last at Naas, and comfortably accounted for this year's Champion Hurdle 2nd in the Morgiana on his seasonal debut after a year off. Smacks of a talented horse that's been unlucky at the wrong times in his short career. If he wins the Morgiana first time up as he did last year he'll probably be a single figure price, whether that's justified or not.

[ComplyOrDie]

I like the look of Saldier @ 25/1. Who knows what Willie has up his sleeve (or yet to be purchased), but I think there's every chance this lad ends up his number one. I don't know too much about the injury but I remember Willie hopeful he'd make Punchestown so hopefully its nothing too serious. He was joint fav before the injury and the form works out pretty well. Convinced he would have beaten 2019 winner Espoir D'Allen were it not for falling at the last at Naas, and comfortably accounted for this year's Champion Hurdle 2nd in the Morgiana on his seasonal debut after a year off. Smacks of a talented horse that's been unlucky at the wrong times in his short career. If he wins the Morgiana first time up as he did last year he'll probably be a single figure price, whether that's justified or not.

One I really like Charlie, and one I was fairly involved in last season, just going to wait this time around for an entry, as unsure on his well being after missing the festival, and not being seen since.

[Istabraq]

I like the look of Saldier @ 25/1.

Certainly one I grabbed as soon as the markets opened and I think there are a few others on board too.
Clearly needs to prove his fitness/wellbeing and have this as his target, none of which we'll know for a while yet, but if all that had been confirmed he'd be single figures for sure...

[Lobos]

One I really like Charlie, and one I was fairly involved in last season, just going to wait this time around for an entry, as unsure on his well being after missing the festival, and not being seen since.

Me too. Honeysuckle aside he was my biggest 'winner' last season before pulling out. Whether he'd have beaten Epatante though is another thing