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I thought it was ironic, he jumped well all the way round when the doubts were because he jumped out to his right most of the time beforehand..at cheltenham he put those worries to bed, then the last confirmed everyones fears, i didnt back him for the triumph based on his jumping aswell i was on allmankind (who i think didnt give his true running) but still goshen if he stayed up would of beat the lot by a street
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His best jumping performance (bar the last) of the season was definitely at Cheltenham.Originally posted by Ray View PostComment
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Yeah, thats what i was getting at but i went arse way around saying it
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Returning to the flats at start of season, not ideal at all
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What is wrong with starting the season on the flat? Is it really a negative?Originally posted by opatcho View PostComment
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You couldn't make it a negative but it wouldn't be normal.Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post
By and large, a handicapper on the flat is a handicapper over hurdles.Comment
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Thought Jockey was at fault at the last not the horse. 10 lengths clear you just let him run down the hurdle.Comment
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He wouldn't be going back on the flat if he didn't have such a lenient looking mark though. I agree that if the ceiling of his ability was that of a handicapper, then he'd struggle to be a grade 1 hurdler.Originally posted by archie View PostComment
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If he doesn't win the Cesarewitch, he won't be winning a Champion Hurdle as he will have shown he isn't good enough.
Is that a fair comment?Comment
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It may well turn out to be a negative. He was brought back earlier than any other Churdle horses so will have been on the go for a fair time. Even if they have two quick races, let him down and then bring him back in the spring I see that as a negative approach to a Champion Hurdle race. They may pick up some big bucks on route but that in itself speaks volumes for where the 2 mile crown sits in their priority list. Yes, he ran on the flat before his Triumph success but to think he can do the same and win a Champion Hurdle he will have to be some superstar.Originally posted by archie View PostComment
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I think so yes, especially with him being so well handicapped. If he won by a street they may well keep him to the flat and run him in the Cup races next season.Originally posted by Kevloaf View PostComment
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If he's beaten fair and square then I'd say yes. If he gets a horror draw and/or misses the break then you could probably excuse the defeat.Originally posted by Kevloaf View PostComment
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I think I'd want my Champion Hurdle winnner to win in spite of the draw if he's got that much in hand.Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post
Personally I think that double is good value based on the current ante post prices...
What I might do is back him for the Cesarewitch, and in that double (although free bets the preference) but then LAY him for the Champion Hurdle regardless of the result in the Ces.
If he wins the Ces, I'll be able to lay at a ridiculously short price...
If he is unlucky, he'll remain short probably and I just won't fancy him
If he gets walloped, he might drift (but probably not as much as he should) as he'll have little chance in my opinion.
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A lot of Ces good things just don't get into the race at an early stage and have too much ground to make up.
35 runners on a course with a right-angle in it just before halfway is a bit different to lolloping around oval courses in 8 to 10 runner fields."Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".Comment
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