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OK thanks, will keep a closer eye going forward...
Racing Post just take the official P2P rating and publish it in their database I believe. But they aren't able to integrate the + and ++ element.
I'm behind on my data at the moment, but off the top of my head, there have been two 95++ performances already this season and we're only a few weeks in.
Last edited by JackieMoon33; 25 November 2024, 09:22 AM.
I had a look at Its For Me BANC as well, but couldn't find anything in the pedigree to suggest he had any chance of staying. JackieMoon33ComplyOrDieDenmanSacre (or anyone else who has any idea about pedigrees, tagged you three because I've seen you all write about pedigrees in the past)
Is there anything there that I've missed as a complete beginner on the pedigree side that gives hope to Its For Me over 3m? I assume they'll also want to avoid Impaire so Turners handicap/BANC could be likely for Its For Me
There is stamina there, on the dams side, through the sire (Dom Alco), but ultimately she's not produced anything of great note, apart from the potential of It's For Me, plus the maternal grand dam, Qlementine, produced pretty much 2 milers, with the best being 135 rated, Gin Coco.
His sire, Jeu St Eloi, is pretty new to the game, as the others have noted, but he is by Saint Des Saints, who can produce a staying type, but is generally a mixed bag.
Breeding can only take you so far, and nothing is set in stone with it, and probably should be used as a guide only. You will generally get outliers as well (less so with seasoned sires, IMO).
Personally I'd be waiting to see where Willie starts off It's For Me before thinking about parting with cash. From what I remember of him he was very keen, so I'd not be entertaining the longer trip until I had seen him in action and the fact he's been off the track for so long it's got to be likely he'll come back extremely fresh, too.
Thanks all - appreciate the comments and generally agree all around (I noticed he was keen vs Caldwell Potter, and can see the Turners handicap being a thought process for them).
Think the 50/1 Arkle is worth a stab (and have already done), but will leave the 66/1 RSA for now. Cheers guys
The manner of his maiden hurdle win and his bumper win suggests he's a 2-miler to me. He was very keen throughout and won't get 3 miles unless he has learnt to settle. He may well have done, but I'd like to see it first. That being said 66-1 is too big and is worth a point with cash out in my opinion.
Whatever happens, Willie has a battalion of second string novices this year and he's going to have to run them against each other quite early on. Asian Master, Tullyhill, It's For Me, Ile Atlantique, Predators Gold, Mistergif, maybe even Western Diego. I'd suggest that whichever lose FTO may well be campaigned towards the Turners.
This - His way of going is far more important than his pedigree.
He has seemed to be very forward going and keen so that would definitely be a problem for longer trips.
Willie is far more likely to dismiss breeding in favour of how the horses actually run and jump on the course.
This - His way of going is far more important than his pedigree.
He has seemed to be very forward going and keen so that would definitely be a problem for longer trips.
Willie is far more likely to dismiss breeding in favour of how the horses actually run and jump on the course.
Yep. He’s one that the eye test should be most important.
Worth small stakes as both likely Gold Cup imo but Fact To File and Spillanes Tower Ryanair Gold cup reversed.
27/1 and 149/1.
I've done the f2f (Ryanair)spillanes tower (gc) double but not the reverse one as already got f2f covered for gold cup and nowt on ST. Like you say i reckon both will go gold cup though.
I've done the f2f (Ryanair)spillanes tower (gc) double but not the reverse one as already got f2f covered for gold cup and nowt on ST. Like you say i reckon both will go gold cup though.
Suppose you could also throw in Monty’s Star for shits and giggles to doubles with whoever may go Ryanair as he has close form ties with both.
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