Related Doubles (ideas)

[Exar Essay]

Like the idea. Would Run For Oscar count? Got his 147 rating over here, ran in Ireland again since, but runs off his British Mark (147) in the Coral Cup.

[riccirich]

Think there’s a good few isn’t there off the top of my head? Dads lad, mr incredible, Salvador ziggy, filey bay, colonel mustard, probably more.

[Kevloaf]

Like the idea. Would Run For Oscar count? Got his 147 rating over here, ran in Ireland again since, but runs off his British Mark (147) in the Coral Cup.

Yeah definitely....

Think there’s a good few isn’t there off the top of my head? Dads lad, mr incredible, Salvador ziggy, filey bay, colonel mustard, probably more.

Yeh, excellent, will be quite a lot.... I think they're worth really looking at and shortlisting....

Shoot First (Salvador Ziggy, An Taillieur) from same race ... so we'd need to pick which one etc.

[Lobos]

Loved the angle I listened to from Gary O'Brien about Irish horses handicapped over here already, so have been assessed relative to the UK horses, whereas the other Irish have run against other Irish then had a tax added...... Shoot First and Stumptown hit this theory and it's made me really, really fancy them.

Doubled them up e/w at 26.5/1 whilst doing this. I think it's a very interesting angle and I totally see the logic.

• Who else fits the bill, can we find ourselves an Irish handicapper multiple where they're technically not taxed in the same way?

What have the results been like in past years for those horses??

[Quevega]

Loved the angle I listened to from Gary O'Brien about Irish horses handicapped over here already, so have been assessed relative to the UK horses, whereas the other Irish have run against other Irish then had a tax added...... Shoot First and Stumptown hit this theory and it's made me really, really fancy them.

Doubled them up e/w at 26.5/1 whilst doing this. I think it's a very interesting angle and I totally see the logic.

• Who else fits the bill, can we find ourselves an Irish handicapper multiple where they're technically not taxed in the same way?

I watched him discuss this and thought he was being stupid.
They just paid their tax upfront.
same difference.

[FinalFurlong91]

I watched him discuss this and thought he was being stupid.
They just paid their tax upfront.
same difference.

That's what I was thinking as well

[Kevloaf]

I watched him discuss this and thought he was being stupid.
They just paid their tax upfront.
same difference.

It's not though is it, the tax afterwards is a guess, the tax beforehand was a guess but then they got re-assessed based on the form..... so you're being stupid

[Quevega]

It's not though is it, the tax afterwards is a guess, the tax beforehand was a guess but then they got re-assessed based on the form..... so you're being stupid

No.
It is definitely stupid.

[Kevloaf]

What have the results been like in past years for those horses??

If I knew that, I wouldn't be on an open forum asking for help in working out if it's a good angle or not.

Passive-aggressive questioning

[Kevloaf]

No.
It is definitely stupid.

So if they put the tax on before, and then handicapped off it.... that's less accurate than putting the tax on with nothing relative to go off?

[Lobos]

If I knew that, I wouldn't be on an open forum asking for help in working out if it's a good angle or not.

Passive-aggressive questioning

Bit pointless then ! Try an easier angle

[Kevloaf]

Bit pointless then ! Try an easier angle

I can only apologise for trying to come up with an angle ...... sorry, I'll keep it simple. Back the favourite, or better yet, what's the Lobos life-changer? Keep it simple, make us all millionaires!

[Quevega]

So if they put the tax on before, and then handicapped off it.... that's less accurate than putting the tax on with nothing relative to go off?

That’s how they got to the mark they ran off in the uk.
Its the same.
there is no angle IMO
Unless the angle is all uk horses are well in !

[Kevloaf]

That’s how they got to the mark they ran off in the uk.
Its the same.
there is no angle IMO
Unless the angle is all uk horses are well in !

Yes...... they got that mark before they ran in the UK, then ran in the UK and got a new mark....after it....

How is that the same as not running in the UK?




When they gave a 'new mark' after the races in the UK, that's a new mark, based on how they did with that Irish mark against UK horses.... so it's 'actual' marks that have relevance....



If they hadn't ran in the UK, it'd be the 'taxed' mark, that we have no idea about.....







The UK horses are well in.... so when one gets re-assessed after it, accurately, you have a fairer playing field to work with?

[Quevega]

Yes...... they got that mark before they ran in the UK, then ran in the UK and got a new mark....after it....

How is that the same as not running in the UK?




When they gave a 'new mark' after the races in the UK, that's a new mark, based on how they did with that Irish mark against UK horses.... so it's 'actual' marks that have relevance....



If they hadn't ran in the UK, it'd be the 'taxed' mark, that we have no idea about.....







The UK horses are well in.... so when one gets re-assessed after it, accurately, you have a fairer playing field to work with?

To run in the uk like stumptown did.
He was allocated a Uk mark (including tax)
then ran and got raised.
he was taxed once.
just like any Irish horse that gets entered over here.

Using the word tax is wrong anyhow.
they all get a uk mark when they run over here.
there is no advantage to running over here prior from a handicapping perspective at all