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[Lobos]

FWIW - at the start of the season, the owners had 1 race in mind for FV, and Willie had the other in mind for him.
...... very interesting.

[Dandrew99]

FWIW - at the start of the season, the owners had 1 race in mind for FV, and Willie had the other in mind for him.

You tease... you're just as bad as Spectre

[HesTheOne]

FWIW - at the start of the season, the owners had 1 race in mind for FV, and Willie had the other in mind for him.
...... very interesting.

Be surprised now if connections of FV would want him shifting to Ballymore now to make way in the Supreme. It’s shoot for the moon stuff they way the connections go on and I think IEP is bit too nice to be 2nd string to FV at 2m.

IEP had a lovely run in France over a mile and half, travel handily and showed a good proper turn of foot which would give a nod to that shorter distance. On his Irish runs he looks to travel at speed really well again, and you’d suspect siting behind a few more over a longer gallop for the Ballymore would be no problem at all either.

Trying to plot Mullins novice hurdlers over the 3 races is still a mind field, would split them on quality over distance below

2m - 2m5f
Tier 1: Facile Vega, Impaire Ent Passe, Champ Kiely
Tier 2: Gaelic Warrior, Dark Raven, Il Etait Temps
Tier 3: Hunters Yarn, Parmenion, Mercurey

2m5f+ - 3m
Tier 2: Spanish Harlem, GCW
Tier 3: Quais De Paris, Indiana Dream


Could possible see 1 more of those in the Tier 2 group at 2m - 2m5f to take a step forward. Same with Spanish Harlem he’s had 1 run quite early on shortly after coming to the yard could see him being a Tier 1 horse at the greater distance a division where at the moment Willie is lacking compared to the other category, QDP too has also alot more to give.

Probably missing a few obvious or dark ones but he has at least 4 maybe 5 prospect what I’d consider in Tier 1 to place.

[Exar Essay]

FWIW - at the start of the season, the owners had 1 race in mind for FV, and Willie had the other in mind for him.

Yup. I heard that too. Owners said he was being aimed for the Ballymore in November.

[Many Clouds]

Yup. I heard that too. Owners said he was being aimed for the Ballymore in November.

Im sure someone on here who connections with the owners said they had been told the aim was the Ballymore but can't remember who but defo read it on here.

[opatcho]

Trying to plot Mullins novice hurdlers over the 3 races is still a mind field, would split them on quality over distance below

2m - 2m5f
Tier 1: Facile Vega, Impaire Ent Passe, Champ Kiely
Tier 2: Gaelic Warrior, Dark Raven, Il Etait Temps
Tier 3: Hunters Yarn, Parmenion, Mercurey

2m5f+ - 3m
Tier 2: Spanish Harlem, GCW
Tier 3: Quais De Paris, Indiana Dream
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This is what I think...

Tier 1: Facile Vega, Dark Raven
Tier 2: Impaire Ent Passe, Champ Kiely
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Tier 3: Gaelic Warrior, Il Etait Temps
Tier 4: Pointless taking about them

Impaire Ent Passe is a decent horse, and has scope to improve, but I still believe Mullins runs his best horses at the DRF. Sir Gerhard was DRF, and I had him above Dysart in terms of having proven form, and appears to be a easier race horse to get one with.

FV is tier 1, and then we have Dark Raven who's declared for the same 2 miler at the DRF. I take that as "thats Mullin's 1 and 2". Mullin's entered El Fab with Sir G for the DRF, didnt turn out. Now, some will argue that DD is/was better than El Fab... but my point is, El Fab went onto run a huge race at Aintree. which points towards Mullins aiming his better ones to the DRF

What better way to decide where his better ones run at the fez, by running what may be his best two horses in the same race at the DRF
No different when it comes to the Arkle, Willie has used the DRF to work out who's his best one. Throw all of the top hopefuls into the same race, the winner is Paul's number one for the fez

Mullins Bingo at its best..

[ComplyOrDie]

This is what I think...

Tier 1: Facile Vega, Dark Raven
Tier 2: Impaire Ent Passe, Champ Kiely
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Tier 3: Gaelic Warrior, Il Etait Temps
Tier 4: Pointless taking about them

Impaire Ent Passe is a decent horse, and has scope to improve, but I still believe Mullins runs his best horses at the DRF. Sir Gerhard was DRF, and I had him above Dysart in terms of having proven form, and appears to be a easier race horse to get one with.

FV is tier 1, and then we have Dark Raven who's declared for the same 2 miler at the DRF.

None of them have been declared yet and he has 8 entered in the race, so are they all tier 1 based on them being entered?

[opatcho]

None of them have been declared yet and he has 8 entered in the race, so are they all tier 1 based on them being entered?

I'll dig this post back up when they are declare....
The point doesnt change, spend a long time and posted a fair bit of detail in my diary about the likes of IEB and Dark Raven. Declared or not, as it stands, that how I tier them

[ComplyOrDie]

I'll dig this post back up when they are declare....
The point doesnt change, spend a long time and posted a fair bit of detail in my diary about the likes of IEB and Dark Raven. Declared or not, as it stands, that how I tier them

That wasn't my point though. As it stands he has 8 entered, not just FV & Dark Raven. FWIW I think both FV & Dark Raven will be declared, among others.

I think it's likely he declares 3, maybe 4 for the race.
I'd Imagine Impaire Et Passe won't be one of them though.

Also, I read your diary post, and can see you put in a fair bit of time and effort into it and respect your opinion

[DenmanSacre]

I'll dig this post back up when they are declare....
The point doesnt change, spend a long time and posted a fair bit of detail in my diary about the likes of IEB and Dark Raven. Declared or not, as it stands, that how I tier them

There's an article on the Sporting Life website about Mullins novice hurdlers - Dark Raven doesn't get a mention and some of his shit ones do.

[Exar Essay]

There's an article on the Sporting Life website about Mullins novice hurdlers - Dark Raven doesn't get a mention and some of his shit ones do.

To be fair though, that’s just someone rolling off Willie’s novices and expressing where they think they might go. No interviews or ITK stuff, and doesn’t come across as anymore more informed or better thought out than a lot of posts on here.

[opatcho]

There's an article on the Sporting Life website about Mullins novice hurdlers - Dark Raven doesn't get a mention and some of his shit ones do.

LOL... so, you saying Dark Raven is worse than shit tier. Is shit tier higher or lower than the Hunters Chase, because thats proper shite

[DenmanSacre]

LOL... so, you saying Dark Raven is worse than shit tier. Is shit tier higher or lower than the Hunters Chase, because thats proper shite

I've said multiple times on here I'm a big fan of Dark Raven.
Just highlighting the article as he's going under the radar while QDP, Hunters Yarn and Indiana Dream get a mention.

For me, FV would be tier 1 on his own, and tier 2 would be Dark Raven, IEP, Champ Kiely and Gaelic Warrior and I'd re-analyse them after the DRF. The tier 2 horses for me could run in the Supreme or Ballymore and not be surprised winners of either race.

[DenmanSacre]

To be fair though, that’s just someone rolling off Willie’s novices and expressing where they think they might go. No interviews or ITK stuff, and doesn’t come across as anymore more informed or better thought out than a lot of posts on here.

Just highlighting it to show he's fairly under the radar for a lot of people, despite winning a good maiden. Others mentioned on it have won worse maidens.

[ToniC]

If it’s logical to assume they’d be kept apart, provided Dark Raven proved good enough to run at the festivalI id have him being the much more likely to go out in distance then IEP. I was surprised he didn’t at least get a entry in the longer race at the DRF given his breeding