PERTEMPS NETWORK FINAL Handicap Hurdle

[Istabraq]

The last line clearly states declaration stage but not antepost so you will find that all bookies will not refund and the bet's a looser.

I think that last line is irrelevant and complicates a simple rule.
Any horse that is entered, in this case, for a handicap, and is balloted out is deemed a 'void' bet and therefore refunded.
One thing I couldn't be entirely certain of is whether the horse needs to have been declared at every declaration stage for that to apply, I assume it does but if you are a trainer/owner and you know there's a chance you'll get balloted out you should/will continue to declare the horse as all fees are repaid when you are officially balloted out.

Bayoffreedom

archie

Are two owners far better versed at these things than me who may be able to confirm...

[Glasgow Ronnie]

I worked for over 10 years at Ladbrokes and any ante post bets on horses that were balloted out were refunded. Any bets I have placed with Bet365 and Betfred have also have been refunded. I have also had refunds with William Hill but I have had to chase these up

[Benjy23]

I think that last line is irrelevant and complicates a simple rule.
Any horse that is entered, in this case, for a handicap, and is balloted out is deemed a 'void' bet and therefore refunded.
One thing I couldn't be entirely certain of is whether the horse needs to have been declared at every declaration stage for that to apply, I assume it does but if you are a trainer/owner and you know there's a chance you'll get balloted out you should/will continue to declare the horse as all fees are repaid when you are officially balloted out.

Bayoffreedom

archie

Are two owners far better versed at these things than me who may be able to confirm...

That last line is specific to the delayed race scenario I think. It's saying that bets won't be void if the race is delayed to a different day (due to weather or whatever) but still ran at the same course and entries aren't reopened. But if entries are reopened they'd be void, which I assume would happen if the race was delayed for a longer period of time.

[Chris]

I think that last line is irrelevant and complicates a simple rule.
Any horse that is entered, in this case, for a handicap, and is balloted out is deemed a 'void' bet and therefore refunded.
One thing I couldn't be entirely certain of is whether the horse needs to have been declared at every declaration stage for that to apply, I assume it does but if you are a trainer/owner and you know there's a chance you'll get balloted out you should/will continue to declare the horse as all fees are repaid when you are officially balloted out.

Bayoffreedom

archie

Are two owners far better versed at these things than me who may be able to confirm...

I can give you some Idea of Antepost. I backed a dead horse Antepost a few years ago. I placed my bet about one week after the horse had died on the gallops the kind bookie pointed out to me that Antepost rules apply and sorry you lose your money. You will find all Antepost bets will be treated in the same way for example if you back a horse Antepost in the Supreme and he gets declared but does not run you lose your money, the same applies to handicaps if you back a horse Antepost.

[Quevega]

I can give you some Idea of Antepost. I backed a dead horse Antepost a few years ago. I placed my bet about one week after the horse had died on the gallops the kind bookie pointed out to me that Antepost rules apply and sorry you lose your money. You will find all Antepost bets will be treated in the same way for example if you back a horse Antepost in the Supreme and he gets declared but does not run you lose your money, the same applies to handicaps if you back a horse Antepost.

Got to admire the perseverance. Not going to back down until it's been tattooed on I reckon.

[Splinterboy82]

I can give you some Idea of Antepost. I backed a dead horse Antepost a few years ago. I placed my bet about one week after the horse had died on the gallops the kind bookie pointed out to me that Antepost rules apply and sorry you lose your money. You will find all Antepost bets will be treated in the same way for example if you back a horse Antepost in the Supreme and he gets declared but does not run you lose your money, the same applies to handicaps if you back a horse Antepost.

Much love Chris but you were robbed on that one & everything others have posted about ante post is spot on. The biggest issue on this is making sure it’s entered & the owners keep declaring until final decs. But you 100% get your money back if declared & balloted out. If you place a bet on something (like the dead horse) and this info is in the public domain at the time of your bet being placed, it’s daylight robbery to not be refunded as well

[Chris]

Got to admire the perseverance. Not going to back down until it's been tattooed on I reckon.

Thanks Q

[Splinterboy82]

Interesting that Hendo says this is the target for Dame De Compagnie. Says she’s “nicely” qualified - assuming either SJ or likely SDB goes for JP, she’s currently off 139 (1lb less than when winning the coral cup a couple of yrs ago) meaning likely carrying around 10:10lb - she’s never a 33/1 shot on the day with that profile. Mare’s won last couple of coral cups & this race last yr….took a bit of that 33s

[Big Bucks]

Be very mindful of it and take the knowledge on board guys, I wasn't aware of the balloting out off horses until this very forum, some off the big firms will refund you automatically, but did take me a bit of digging and persuasion to some firms to refund me, it is right and we are entitled too it, but some you will have to chase up!

[Istabraq]

I can give you some Idea of Antepost. I backed a dead horse Antepost a few years ago. I placed my bet about one week after the horse had died on the gallops the kind bookie pointed out to me that Antepost rules apply and sorry you lose your money. You will find all Antepost bets will be treated in the same way for example if you back a horse Antepost in the Supreme and he gets declared but does not run you lose your money, the same applies to handicaps if you back a horse Antepost.

That is horrific, they really don't cover themselves in glory sometimes even if under the rules they are permitted to settle the bet as loser, but it's not relevant to the balloting out debate, they are separate matters.
If you're still unsure about when refunds should be given then contact the bookie and ask for a copy of their rules, or the BHA...

[archie]

It's worth keeping a record of old bets anyway.

When foot and mouth struck in 2001, I'd had an early bet on Alexander Banquet for the Gold Cup. After his second at Leopardstown in February, he picked up an injury and was out for the season but, because the race was never run, all bets were refunded even though he wouldn't have been able to compete.

[Lobos]

It's worth keeping a record of old bets anyway.

When foot and mouth struck in 2001, I'd had an early bet on Alexander Banquet for the Gold Cup. After his second at Leopardstown in February, he picked up an injury and was out for the season but, because the race was never run, all bets were refunded even though he wouldn't have been able to compete.

Absolutely Archie. I was refunded on horses that had died in that year. Never throw slips away.

[Quevega]

Easysland - entered at Haydock Saturday.

[Lobos]

Easysland - entered at Haydock Saturday.

Surely with a view to GN as opposed to Pertempts/XCC?

[Quevega]

Surely with a view to GN as opposed to XCC?

I'd have thought pertemps myself. or prep for GN
Only 144 over hurdles
Got dropped 6lb for PU last time