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Supreme/Ballymore/Albert Bartlett - Novice Hurdles 2021

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  • Originally posted by Eggs View Post

    ....not sure if there was a trainer quote after today’s race, but I’d say it’s possibly shorter for the Supreme (than Ballymore) whereas it was the other way around pre-race.
    Genuine question, why do you think that Eggs?

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    • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

      Genuine question, why do you think that Eggs?

      ....as I say, I wonder if they were acting on a post-race quote. PP are 20-1 Supreme and 40-1 Ballymore, so they seem convinced he might be more about speed. He looks a powerhouse and certainly wasn’t stopping at the end today, his two PTPs he finished runner-up over 3 miles suggesting the intermediate trip might suit.

      Strange reaction to the markets, I actually thought that performance might have had more impact.

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      • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

        At the risk of repeating myself, I'd be surprised if Boothill remains at 2m. He's a fairly bulky looking animal, with a P2P background, and by Presenting. I just don't see it myself.
        Interview with Sean Bowen after the race. He said he's a strong traveller didn't stay 3 miles in his p2p stick to 2 miles for now no need to go any further. Obviously that's not set in stone but sounds more supreme than ballymore to me.

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        • Originally posted by taylorch1990 View Post

          Interview with Sean Bowen after the race. He said he's a strong traveller didn't stay 3 miles in his p2p stick to 2 miles for now no need to go any further. Obviously that's not set in stone but sounds more supreme than ballymore to me.
          Bit of a bonus Sean Bowen doesn't decide where he goes then

          In all seriousness, he wasn't stopping today, suggesting he'd get further, although his bumper win also suggested this. I wouldn't worry too much about him not staying 3m in his PTP's, he'll be a different animal to what he was back then.

          Time will tell anyway, best of luck with your bet on him

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          • Keith Donoghue Q&A

            Kieran Canavan (@KieranCanavan8) asked "How has Ballyadam been since the Royal Bond? Thanks"

            Ballyadam has been in great form and he went back into work this week and has been great. He's a very exciting horse to have and all roads seemingly lead to the Supreme at Cheltenham

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            • Yow Tran (@YowTran1) asked: "Hi Keith. Fakiera beat Farouk D'Alene last time out. Was that Farouk's true running or is Fakiera now a better prospect for Cheltenham and which race would they likely be aimed for?"

              A bit of both actually. I don't think for a second that this was Farouk D'Alene's true running. He just never looked comfortable at all in the race and I'd forgive him that. Nothing has shown up in his check ups afterwards so we have to just get going again with him and hope it was a once off. If he can leave that behind him he is definitely one to be in the reckoning for an Albert Bartlett.

              Fakiera really impressed me, but he's one who will be much better over a fence and I'm not sure whether he would actually want to go to Cheltenham this year. He might be better off avoiding that this year, but he's definitely good enough.

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              • A thought to consider. Boothill is a bigger price than Dusart in the Supreme market, but to my eye was no less impressive, albeit in a very different race. It seemed to me a stiffer pace in the Supreme might be perfect.

                His stablemate Metier might be the one to be stepped up in trip given he started out over 2m2f and was a middle distance flat horse. I also wonder whether they think Metier's better right handed given his campaign so far over hurdles since switching from Andy Slattery. His improved runs on the flat were also right handed.

                The UK will have a hand to play in the Supreme and Boothill and Dusart two are the most likely candidates so far, unless I've missed a key race along the way? Anyone have an eye on anything else this side of the Irish Sea?
                Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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                • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

                  Bit of a bonus Sean Bowen doesn't decide where he goes then

                  In all seriousness, he wasn't stopping today, suggesting he'd get further, although his bumper win also suggested this. I wouldn't worry too much about him not staying 3m in his PTP's, he'll be a different animal to what he was back then.

                  Time will tell anyway, best of luck with your bet on him
                  I thought Ballymore for the same reasons CoD but took a piece of both with cashout until it becomes clearer

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                  • Originally posted by Eggs View Post


                    ....as I say, I wonder if they were acting on a post-race quote. PP are 20-1 Supreme and 40-1 Ballymore, so they seem convinced he might be more about speed. He looks a powerhouse and certainly wasn’t stopping at the end today, his two PTPs he finished runner-up over 3 miles suggesting the intermediate trip might suit.

                    Strange reaction to the markets, I actually thought that performance might have had more impact.

                    .....PP are now 25-1 Boothill for Ballymore. The Ballymore/Supreme prices are now much more aligned.

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                    • I'm not entirely sure what's prompted me to write this today, but I have to say, at this moment in time it feels like a really disappointing crop of Novice Hurdlers. I appreciate that its early in the season, but I'm quite certain that by this time last year, we'd seen some really taking performances and some very good novices taking each other on. Willie in particular normally has a battalion of quality animals and we've just seen so so little from his geldings at this stage.

                      Don't get me wrong, I fully accept that the likes of Appreciate It, Ferny Hollow, Dusart etc. could all be very good, but at this moment in time, we just don't know. I'm just finding it very difficult to get excited by any of them.

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                      • Originally posted by Easywork View Post
                        I'm not entirely sure what's prompted me to write this today, but I have to say, at this moment in time it feels like a really disappointing crop of Novice Hurdlers. I appreciate that its early in the season, but I'm quite certain that by this time last year, we'd seen some really taking performances and some very good novices taking each other on. Willie in particular normally has a battalion of quality animals and we've just seen so so little from his geldings at this stage.

                        Don't get me wrong, I fully accept that the likes of Appreciate It, Ferny Hollow, Dusart etc. could all be very good, but at this moment in time, we just don't know. I'm just finding it very difficult to get excited by any of them.
                        I completely agree , I was going to post something similar. I do wonder though if our expectations are higher than what they should be or the pandemic has had an impact on the big yards staff involvement and training schedules than we’re aware of?? I agree many novices with big expectations and reputations have disappointed so far and there are still very few stand out performances so far

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                        • In excited about Nassalam in the Juvenile ranks.. could be the next Sea Pigeon.

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                          • Originally posted by Bigfish View Post
                            In excited about Nassalam in the Juvenile ranks.. could be the next Sea Pigeon.
                            Big statement - I like big statements!

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                            • Originally posted by Easywork View Post
                              I'm not entirely sure what's prompted me to write this today, but I have to say, at this moment in time it feels like a really disappointing crop of Novice Hurdlers. I appreciate that its early in the season, but I'm quite certain that by this time last year, we'd seen some really taking performances and some very good novices taking each other on. Willie in particular normally has a battalion of quality animals and we've just seen so so little from his geldings at this stage.

                              Don't get me wrong, I fully accept that the likes of Appreciate It, Ferny Hollow, Dusart etc. could all be very good, but at this moment in time, we just don't know. I'm just finding it very difficult to get excited by any of them.
                              I know what you mean Easywork I was looking at the novice hurdle entries for Cheltenham for tomorrow and Saturday and there is nothing to get excited about.

                              The Irish are just streets ahead of the English.

                              Willie doesn’t send a lot of his out until around this time so that gives me some hope but I can safely say I haven’t been overwhelmed with much at all so far.

                              Still time yet though

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                              • Think we were in the same position last year sure even up to DRF we were asking who willies number 1 was for the supreme! The ferny ballyadam debate is the one I wish was sorted are they both running in the supreme or is one stepping up? I think both wouldn’t find stepping up a problem mite suit ballyadam if his jumping doesn’t improve

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