Supreme/Ballymore/Albert Bartlett - Novice Hurdles 2021

[Craigy14]

I’ve only got Ferny in a couple trebles one of which I can’t cash so I’ve just swapped my Tuesday treble of him Epatante and shishkin to Ballyadam, just in case.

On another note, has anyone backed or thinking of backing Metier for Harry Fry?

Thought his win at Ascot lto was very impressive. Form of his first hurdle run isn’t up to much but can’t fault his next run which hasn’t been tested yet. 365 still have him priced at 33/1, PP shorter at 25/1. Harry Fry could do with having a decent one and I think he could be. Supreme is sort of waiting for something to come out and show credentials for the race. Of the UK runners in the market we’ve seen Dusart run well but not much else.

[jono]

https://www.timeform.com/horse-racin...ms_top_novices

143P	BALLYADAM
143p	SHEWEARSITWELL
139	CASK MATE
139	CIEL DE NEIGE
139	N'GOLO
138	PERFECT MYTH
137P	FERNY HOLLOW
136p	BOB OLINGER
136p	ENEMY COAST AHEAD
135p	DOES HE KNOW
135p	THIRD TIME LUCKI

Looking at that list just makes you think we've barely touched the surface for novice hurdlers this season.
Obviously at this stage of the season most horses, if having run at all have only taken in a Maiden hurdle. With Christmas starting to provide the clashes between them to raise the ratings but I can't help but feel fairly underwhelmed. I wonder how those figures staked up at this stage in previous years? Last year I guess would have been unusually high with the Royal Bond being a far stronger renewal

[Cooldaddy]

Serious question, why don't stables come out and make a statement if there are any injury issues? I get that each stable cant report on all their horses, but the big horses should be reported on. Its not like it gives any other stables an advantage. I assume, that as ever is something to do with the bookies?

[Saxon Warrior]

Serious question, why don't stables come out and make a statement if there are any injury issues? I get that each stable cant report on all their horses, but the big horses should be reported on. Its not like it gives any other stables an advantage. I assume, that as ever is something to do with the bookies?

I agree

There's no point just telling the public the good stuff, * aiming for the christmas hurdle
*schooling well
* bigger and stronger than last year. etc, etc

and not in the same interview, podcast, website blog, mention those that are
* injured and likely length of injury
* going to miss a target they are entered for

Horse Racing seems so out of touch that being open with the less good news is good for the sport.

Imagine if Football acted in the same sneaky way, or Rugby, Cricket, Athletics etc.

Added to this our sport is funded greatly by punters losing bets, via bookmakers levy and paying for media image rights in websites and in shops.
shops.

With this entrenched link to bookmakers it looks much worse when injury information on all the good horses quoted in antepost betting markets, appears to allow bookmakers to keep taking bets on horses for weeks and weeks that the trainers/owners/stable know its unlikely that the horse will be able to run.

This is not a sustainable way to operate with the public.

Is it different in the US for example, with trainers stabled and working 'on track' daily?

Its probably very easy there, to know when a good horse is injured or not working.

The track work-watchers would know instantly when a horse isn't working-out.

Why are we do behind the times?

It would be revolutionary to have injury news on any horse quoted in any antepost market to be known, whether it was a small hold up or a big one.

Its so easy to change, its just a change of mindset, and the Racing Post or BHA to keep an up-to-date record.

[Istabraq]

Serious question, why don't stables come out and make a statement if there are any injury issues?

In NFL league rules state each team has to provide injury reports, anyone listed as ‘out’ cannot make a miracle recovery and play.
I think the answer to your question though is that the majority of horses in training are handicappers and their marks are being ‘managed’ that any injury list would be extensive, either by manipulation or not, and there will be a fear the handicapper makes allowances for any injury making the process of managing a mark harder.

[Jorvik]

Horse Racing seems so out of touch that being open with the less good news is good for the sport.

It's always been a comically out of touch sport, how many pundits and experts do you have on ITV each weekend? How many of them analyse and draw attention to bad rides?! Probably only womens football gets similar such kid glove treatment.
It's such an incestuous little World that it'll always be this way. It's a World that feeds bullshit by the lorryload to the owners ffs, the people who keep the sport alive first and foremost, never mind the necessary evil that is the punters. It'll never change and in a way it's part of the appeal, trying to work it all out yourself.
The line was crossed for me however with the tie ups between trainers and bookies, how on Earth can that possibly be a good look for a sport that many/most assume to be bent as a nine bob note in the first place?!

[Saxon Warrior]

It's always been a comically out of touch sport, how many pundits and experts do you have on ITV each weekend? How many of them analyse and draw attention to bad rides?! Probably only womens football gets similar such kid glove treatment.
It's such an incestuous little World that it'll always be this way. It's a World that feeds bullshit by the lorryload to the owners ffs, the people who keep the sport alive first and foremost, never mind the necessary evil that is the punters. It'll never change and in a way it's part of the appeal, trying to work it all out yourself.
The line was crossed for me however with the tie ups between trainers and bookies, how on Earth can that possibly be a good look for a sport that many/most assume to be bent as a nine bob note in the first place?!

If any trainer or jockey is permitted to take any bookies money for published information then it should be on a full disclosure good and bad - including injuries, expected return date etc.

My own thoughts is this incestuous industry is sleep-walking to the end of the era of bookmaker-levy-media-rights and be conversion into a TAB style industry of pool betting, as in Australia/New Zealand.

[ComplyOrDie]

Lovely start from Boothill that. Jumped really well. Looks a big old horse so, as before the race, I can see him going up in trip and possibly one for the Ballymore at the festival.

[Eggs]

....Boothill’s performance might make a ripple in the markets.

[jonthehammer]

....Boothill’s performance might make a ripple in the markets.

Took 40s for both the Supreme and Ballymore with Cashout about 2 out when he was cruising. He impressed me, jumped nicely.

[taylorch1990]

Loved that from Boothill. A horse I've been keen on from the start decided against the win today and the festival market and just backed him to win today and put the winnings on him with 365 as they've only cut to 33s for the supreme. Looked keen enough early on so I'd hope they'd stick to 2 miles. Be interesting to compare the time with the previous hurdle as the winner of that looked a good horse too.

[Craigy14]

I’ve only got Ferny in a couple trebles one of which I can’t cash so I’ve just swapped my Tuesday treble of him Epatante and shishkin to Ballyadam, just in case.

On another note, has anyone backed or thinking of backing Metier for Harry Fry?

Thought his win at Ascot lto was very impressive. Form of his first hurdle run isn’t up to much but can’t fault his next run which hasn’t been tested yet. 365 still have him priced at 33/1, PP shorter at 25/1. Harry Fry could do with having a decent one and I think he could be. Supreme is sort of waiting for something to come out and show credentials for the race. Of the UK runners in the market we’ve seen Dusart run well but not much else.

Sad to quote my own message but can probably add BootHill to his other smart novice.

Be interesting how he splits them up Supreme or Ballymore.

Edit - both are 33/1 for both races.

[Eggs]

Sad to quote my own message but can probably add BootHill to his other smart novice.

Be interesting how he splits them up Supreme or Ballymore.

Edit - both are 33/1 for both races.

....Boothill 20-1 from 25-1 in Hills TWAR market. Pre-race, it was generally shorter for the Ballymore (40-1 as opposed to 50-1) so it will be interesting which route it goes.

[ComplyOrDie]

Loved that from Boothill. A horse I've been keen on from the start decided against the win today and the festival market and just backed him to win today and put the winnings on him with 365 as they've only cut to 33s for the supreme. Looked keen enough early on so I'd hope they'd stick to 2 miles. Be interesting to compare the time with the previous hurdle as the winner of that looked a good horse too.

At the risk of repeating myself, I'd be surprised if Boothill remains at 2m. He's a fairly bulky looking animal, with a P2P background, and by Presenting. I just don't see it myself.

[Eggs]

At the risk of repeating myself, I'd be surprised if Boothill remains at 2m. He's a fairly bulky looking animal, with a P2P background, and by Presenting. I just don't see it myself.

....not sure if there was a trainer quote after today’s race, but I’d say it’s possibly shorter for the Supreme (than Ballymore) whereas it was the other way around pre-race.