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I think you should give me more credit than that.
and have clearly not read through my previous conversations with Kautothegreat8.
And defending him in this instance is bizarre beyond belief.
If that's how it reads to you, if you've read it all (I'm guessing not) then it's you that's got the dictionary up you arse, cos you've clearly not read it.
I'm no time for idiots or childish adults who take offence at nothing.
I did read the recent conversations in this thread with interest, since I was the one who asked the question about why Ballyadam was being targeted at the Supreme. What I can't understand though is how you don't realise that the following words from yourself might come accross as a bit pompous : "Not out of context. You need to read back what you type, and add clarity".
One thing I have noticed on this forum is that some individual's don't accept any criticism whatsoever and the fact that someone might actually support another's opinion is even more of an anathema.
Behaviour like this will stifle rather than encourage participation, which is entirely the opposite of what we all want from the Forum.
Looking back at Ballyadam's run at the weekend. Hmm. Shouldn't he be smashing the horses in that race if he wants to win a supreme?
Probably.
My initial reaction was that I was pleased yet think he'll find a few too good by the time we get to March.
Hard to say who at this point, I suppose technically he sets the standard but that's by default. Should be others that put in better performances/level of form.
It wasn't under whelming, but it was just decent. I wouldn't be adding him if I was starting fresh anyway!
My initial reaction was that I was pleased yet think he'll find a few too good by the time we get to March.
Hard to say who at this point, I suppose technically he sets the standard but that's by default. Should be others that put in better performances/level of form.
It wasn't under whelming, but it was just decent. I wouldn't be adding him if I was starting fresh anyway!
Yeah at the time I thought that's decent. But now, after a second watch and looking at what he actually beat.. not sure he's got the speed tbh, did he actually have much left? I'm kinda guessing Gord hasn't got much else for the supreme? (A guess btw). Hence the adamant supreme route.
I actually thought Jack didn't go for everything towards the end of the race and he won pretty snugly? Lost a bit of momentum at the last yet still picked up and won hands and heels. Not too dissimilar to how envoi won the previous year (not saying in any way he will be as good)
Be interesting to see him next time against some sterner opposition, he does however need to jump more efficiently throughout the whole race but when asked for a jump at the 2nd last he came up very well.
Yeah at the time I thought that's decent. But now, after a second watch and looking at what he actually beat.. not sure he's got the speed tbh, did he actually have much left? I'm kinda guessing Gord hasn't got much else for the supreme? (A guess btw). Hence the adamant supreme route.
Yeah at the time I thought that's decent. But now, after a second watch and looking at what he actually beat.. not sure he's got the speed tbh, did he actually have much left? I'm kinda guessing Gord hasn't got much else for the supreme? (A guess btw). Hence the adamant supreme route.
He's beaten horses that we can confidently say wouldn't go off single figures in a Supreme.
Is it fair to say that Royal Bond win wasn't a Supreme winning performance, but that would be true of most Grade 1 novice hurdles this side of Christmas.
Maybe it looks worse because we had so many fantastic performances over the weekend and he didn't stand out?
I actually thought Jack didn't go for everything towards the end of the race and he won pretty snugly? Lost a bit of momentum at the last yet still picked up and won hands and heels. Not too dissimilar to how envoi won the previous year (not saying in any way he will be as good)
Be interesting to see him next time against some sterner opposition, he does however need to jump more efficiently throughout the whole race but when asked for a jump at the 2nd last he came up very well.
Yeah, it's definitely possible he improves again next time against some sterner opposition (hopefully), I just won't count on it.
It depends how you rate the horses in behind really - if you think Cask mate will be a decent prospect & like Ronald pump then it’s probably a decent run. If not then it wasn’t up to standard
I’m happy with it personally - the yard have been talking so much about this horse - I’m sure they know more than we do
He's beaten horses that we can confidently say wouldn't go off single figures in a Supreme.
Is it fair to say that Royal Bond win wasn't a Supreme winning performance, but that would be true of most Grade 1 novice hurdles this side of Christmas.
Maybe it looks worse because we had so many fantastic performances over the weekend and he didn't stand out?
Yeah, it's definitely possible he improves again next time against some sterner opposition (hopefully), I just won't count on it.
From the last home, it was just hands and heels. Jack [Kennedy] said he gave him one little flick and there was still plenty of horse left there. But he is still a baby and has a lot of learning to do. He found plenty for pressure. He is a tough horse and he stays as well, and he is relaxed now as well. He was very keen in his bumpers when he was young. We'll discuss it, but I'd imagine he will head to Leopardstown over Christmas now - Gordon Elliott, trainer of Ballyadam
He should definitely face a tougher task at Christmas as he won't scare that many away and Willie and Joseph will have better quality runners you'd think.
Yeah at the time I thought that's decent. But now, after a second watch and looking at what he actually beat.. not sure he's got the speed tbh, did he actually have much left? I'm kinda guessing Gord hasn't got much else for the supreme? (A guess btw). Hence the adamant supreme route.
I actually felt the opposite after a second watch. After being underwhelmed by the proximity to horses that as you say would have no chance in a Supreme, watching it again I think Cask Mate & N'Golo were flattered by the small winning margin.
After absolutely flying the second last, I thought it was a question of how many lengths, then he's just put in an awkward jump at the last & lost momentum allowing the others to come back to him, but Jack has only used the stick once and ridden him out pretty calmly given the proximity to Cask Mate who really was being driven to close the gap but making no impression. Its quite unusual to see Jack so cool on him with only a ~1 length advantage being chased up the run in.
Don't get me wrong he could have done it better & there have been novice hurdle performances I've been more taken with this season, but I'm much less underwhelmed than after initial viewing. Would have been an interesting race had SWIW lined up, and it will be interesting to hopefully see him take on better horses with Supreme Novice claims themsellves at xmas
I actually thought Jack didn't go for everything towards the end of the race and he won pretty snugly? Lost a bit of momentum at the last yet still picked up and won hands and heels. Not too dissimilar to how envoi won the previous year (not saying in any way he will be as good)
Be interesting to see him next time against some sterner opposition, he does however need to jump more efficiently throughout the whole race but when asked for a jump at the 2nd last he came up very well.
Snugly? Not in my opinion, there was a point where cask mate looked like he might pip him.
You can't compare Abacadabras and Darver star with cask mate and n'golo.
Put it this way - if there were zero trainer and jockey comments on ballyadam and he wasnt wearing the red and white stripe - would there be the love in there currently is? I'm not so sure.
Still, could be completely wrong, just putting it out there
It was a grand run from Ballyadam, had he sailed over the last he'd have won comfortably by 3 or 4 lengths and very few would be poking holes. Jack was gentle on him understandably as it was only his second run over hurdles. I'm happy to forgive him a couple of novicey mistakes, he was running against more experienced rivals. Cask Mate is a second season novice having his 6th run over hurdles, Ngolo his 5th, Dewcup likewise. He'd have learned considerably more than they would have yesterday.
I'm confident he'll come on for the run/experience & we'll see a sharper horse at Leopardstown!
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