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Just have to wait and see how it pans out. Odds on that at least 2 that you mentioned will not even make it to the fez.Thats why I play the TWAR market with all the novices.
The problem with that is if they don’t make the festival through not being good enough your money is down the pan.
Being not good enough and having cash out or even an injury gives you a chance to get out of a bet, at a small loss normally.
Not everyone has cash out available to them. TWAR is the best way forward with novice hurdlers if you don’t have the cash out privilege
Yeah I get that, it’s definitely the better option as opposed to just betting for a race with no cash out as the back up of a handicap is always an option.
Not everyone has cash out available to them. TWAR is the best way forward with novice hurdlers if you don’t have the cash out privilege
Also with how quickly they moved last year, I found it impossible to cash out an injured horse last season. I don't think people should be relying on it at all
Also with how quickly they moved last year, I found it impossible to cash out an injured horse last season. I don't think people should be relying on it at all
Last time I ever mention this....promise...haha, but the benefit of cash out is not being to get money back on injured horses as you rightly say 365 were very much on the ball with this last season. The advantage, especially for hyped novice hurdlers before their first run of the season, is to back them with cash out at their biggest price. If they win well hoorah you are on a live one, if they run crap their price will hopefully only go back out to what you backed them at to start with and can cash out for just a 5% loss. I would much rather do that for a novice hurdler backing for 2 races if needed than be stuck with a dead in the water Any race ticket. Just need to remember not to cash them out if they fall on debut...Shishkin anyone?
Bet365's cashout is lightning quick these days, they got Hamish out of the Ebor, sharpish, whereas Betfair/Paddy Power were more delayed.
Given Bet365 seems to have no advantage on cashout profit now, then using Beafair/PaddyPower is equally as good, if not better (if they are slower on some horse withdrawals).
Bet365's cashout is lightning quick these days, they got Hamish out of the Ebor, sharpish, whereas Betfair/Paddy Power were more delayed.
Given Bet365 seems to have no advantage on cashout profit now, then using Beafair/PaddyPower is equally as good, if not better (if they are slower on some horse withdrawals).
Agreed. Paddy Power were mighty slow taking down Honey from the Mares Chase which enabled me to cash out a big stake for me with no loss.
Bet365's cashout is lightning quick these days, they got Hamish out of the Ebor, sharpish, whereas Betfair/Paddy Power were more delayed.
Given Bet365 seems to have no advantage on cashout profit now, then using Beafair/PaddyPower is equally as good, if not better (if they are slower on some horse withdrawals).
It is in the case you have mentioned but if they push out a horse you've backed to (even marginally) a bigger price then the cashout value reduces significantly. So for instance, if you back a novice hurdler at 33s,which loses and then becomes a 40/1 shot then the cashout value is far lower than B365 which retains more value.
It is in the case you have mentioned but if they push out a horse you've backed to (even marginally) a bigger price then the cashout value reduces significantly. So for instance, if you back a novice hurdler at 33s,which loses and then becomes a 40/1 shot then the cashout value is far lower than B365 which retains more value.
They have reassessed post-Festival, and definitely stopped the large Cashout profits being shown when prices crash lower, whichputs them with (or below) PP/BF as the cashout of choice now.
Last time I ever mention this....promise...haha, but the benefit of cash out is not being to get money back on injured horses as you rightly say 365 were very much on the ball with this last season. The advantage, especially for hyped novice hurdlers before their first run of the season, is to back them with cash out at their biggest price. If they win well hoorah you are on a live one, if they run crap their price will hopefully only go back out to what you backed them at to start with and can cash out for just a 5% loss. I would much rather do that for a novice hurdler backing for 2 races if needed than be stuck with a dead in the water Any race ticket. Just need to remember not to cash them out if they fall on debut...Shishkin anyone?
Absolutely RC. Breaking news generally reaches B365 HQ before we can react.
I have to say I played Shishkin quite beautifully last year. If memory serves me correct I:
Wasn’t convinced of the hype but FOMO had 2 points 33/1 for Supreme before debut, fell on debut, cashed out for 5% loss
Didn’t reback before second race where he hoses up
Back shortly afterwards 4 points at 10/1 lay straight off on the machine at same price as convinced he will go up on trip, I blame Mark Howard, made a couple of quid doing the same with Samcro the season before
Back again 5 points at 5/1 goes and wins at an SP of 7s
I have to say I played Shishkin quite beautifully last year. If memory serves me correct I:
Wasn’t convinced of the hype but FOMO had 2 points 33/1 for Supreme before debut, fell on debut, cashed out for 5% loss
Didn’t reback before second race where he hoses up
Back shortly afterwards 4 points at 10/1 lay straight off on the machine at same price as convinced he will go up on trip, I blame Mark Howard, made a couple of quid doing the same with Samcro the season before
Back again 5 points at 5/1 goes and wins at an SP of 7s
Got to love that
Cash out can sometimes be too convenient by the sound of that !
I have to say I played Shishkin quite beautifully last year. If memory serves me correct I:
Wasn’t convinced of the hype but FOMO had 2 points 33/1 for Supreme before debut, fell on debut, cashed out for 5% loss
Didn’t reback before second race where he hoses up
Back shortly afterwards 4 points at 10/1 lay straight off on the machine at same price as convinced he will go up on trip, I blame Mark Howard, made a couple of quid doing the same with Samcro the season before
Back again 5 points at 5/1 goes and wins at an SP of 7s
....one that was talked up in here for this years Mares Novice was Nicky Henderson’s My Whirlwind, but it hasn’t been seen since it’s only (winning) outing in France.
As low as 14-1 (PP) for next years race and a best priced 25-1, it’s actually 22-1 (with boost) in Hills TWAR market. Not sure if anybody on here has an update on its wellbeing.
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