Supreme/Ballymore/Albert Bartlett - Novice Hurdles 2021

[Ray]

Most yanks/doubles & trebles involving appreciate it for me have him as albert bartlett..so reading sporting lifes this weekend ive had a couple of yankees involving him in the ballymore think this is the best way for me personally!
very interesting regarding gallop

[Ray]

Gallopin des champs, he obviosuly holds him in high regard! Royal bond first time out possibly is looking likely

[Kevloaf]

Cashed out Appreciate It in the Supreme. Might reinvest into the AB, not sure.

Is he still 10/1 Any Race?

Might save you the head ache



I've backed Ballymore and Any Race. They seem pretty convinced he'll be better over obstacles so I think we'll look back at what he did in the bumper and think it was even better than we gave it credit for.

[Middle_Of_March]

I’d be interested in the forums thoughts on ‘Easy As That’ for Venetia Williams. Where do we think he will go if proving Festival class?

Hasn’t run yet this season but, to the eye, looked a proper horse last year in his two bumpers. Am very excited by him this year. Hoping he’s a Ballymore type or something of that ilk.

[ComplyOrDie]

I’d be interested in the forums thoughts on ‘Easy As That’ for Venetia Williams. Where do we think he will go if proving Festival class?

Hasn’t run yet this season but, to the eye, looked a proper horse last year in his two bumpers. Am very excited by him this year. Hoping he’s a Ballymore type or something of that ilk.

Got an entry Wednesday MOM.

Has yet to beat much but couldn't have done it any easier. Probably be better suited to trip, whether going to be good enough, who knows. One that is on my radar for sure.

[MTR]

Just a heads up for everybody, Betvictor are going 4 places for the supreme/ballymore/Bartlett/mares novice hurdle from today.

[ToniC]

Potentially very nice maiden hurdle in punchestown this Saturday. Gaillard Du Mesnil entered alongside 200k chevely park purchase Gloire D’Athon & impressive point winner Holymacapony, both the latter now with de bromhead. Hard to not get excited this time of year.

[ComplyOrDie]

What makes you think they'd hold him back another year? He was purchased in November 2019 so he's been with Willie a long time already. Willie likes to hold them back for one season but two would not be his usual MO unless there is an injury.

Double entry, one over 2m 4f the other over 2m. Be interesting to see which route he goes down.

[JackieMoon33]

Double entry, one over 2m 4f the other over 2m. Be interesting to see which route he goes down.

I'm just happy he's alive and well

[ComplyOrDie]

I'm just happy he's alive and well

Would you look to adjust your position if entered over 2m 4f or stick to your guns re Supreme?

[JackieMoon33]

Would you look to adjust your position if entered over 2m 4f or stick to your guns re Supreme?

Possibly but then again it is Willie so reading too much into the entries can be dangerous.

[Can't Catch Me]

Don't call me Q

- I agree, it will be interesting. I think we should start off thinking they'll let the trainers split them as they don't have a retained jockey.... but, the Allaho situation was interesting. HOWEVER, Willie thought the horse was an Albert Bartlett horse the year before, and in Allaho's defense, only Minella Indo beat him, and he'd finished ahead of Minella Indo prior to that, so the RSA wasn't exactly a ridiculous decision (whether it was his or not).... I assume it's folly to think Mullins was against running in the RSA myself.




I don't think they need to be split up myself, I did put up the related e/w doubles at 389/1 and 509/1 back on 23rd March though

Sorry I genuinely read that post as Quevega.. must be going senile

[Super Raven]

Apologies if this has been discussed already.. Ferny Hollow and Ballyadam are most likely going to be kept apart, it would be a massive surprise if they both turned up in the Supreme. I personally think Ferny Hollow will run in the Supreme and Ballyadam will run in the Ballymore. Mainly because I think Mullins will want to run Ferny in the Supreme and because Ballyadam won a PTP over 3 miles although I know he has speed too. I can see Ballyadam taking a similar route to EA.

[Kevloaf]

Apologies if this has been discussed already.. Ferny Hollow and Ballyadam are most likely going to be kept apart, it would be a massive surprise if they both turned up in the Supreme. I personally think Ferny Hollow will run in the Supreme and Ballyadam will run in the Ballymore. Mainly because I think Mullins will want to run Ferny in the Supreme and because Ballyadam won a PTP over 3 miles although I know he has speed too. I can see Ballyadam taking a similar route to EA.

Lazy assumptions in my opinion....

1. It has been discussed if you want to go back a page
2. Why are they likely to be kept apart for different trainers/jockeys?
3. It wouldn't be a massive surprise would it? Unless they are literally the standout two novice hurdlers....which they are incredibly unlikely to be.
4. Mullins will want to run Ferny in the Supreme. Why wouldn't Elliott want to win the Supreme too? They both have OTHER horses for Ballymore...
5. The EA and Ballyadam comparision is just lazy in my opinion, no offense intended.

If they were the same trainer, and therefore likely same jockey, I'd be definitely assuming they'd get split....but as they're not, I'm happy considering they'll both go for the same race until one proves they aren't a two miler.


Appreciate It and Farouk D'Alene are both better Ballymore contenders for each individual too aren't they?

No jockey clashes to force a move.



Too early to stop yourself backing one over the other....and you've missed the fancy related double prices that some legend but up in March

[Super Raven]

Lazy assumptions in my opinion....

1. It has been discussed if you want to go back a page
2. Why are they likely to be kept apart for different trainers/jockeys?
3. It wouldn't be a massive surprise would it? Unless they are literally the standout two novice hurdlers....which they are incredibly unlikely to be.
4. Mullins will want to run Ferny in the Supreme. Why wouldn't Elliott want to win the Supreme too? They both have OTHER horses for Ballymore...
5. The EA and Ballyadam comparision is just lazy in my opinion, no offense intended.

If they were the same trainer, and therefore likely same jockey, I'd be definitely assuming they'd get split....but as they're not, I'm happy considering they'll both go for the same race until one proves they aren't a two miler.


Appreciate It and Farouk D'Alene are both better Ballymore contenders for each individual too aren't they?

No jockey clashes to force a move.



Too early to stop yourself backing one over the other....and you've missed the fancy related double prices that some legend but up in March

At no point did I compare Ballyadam to EA.

I just can see GE going the same route as he did with Envoi Allen, as he could have still shown up in the Supreme. So the option is there. The route would not affect Ballyadams chances in either the Supreme or the Ballymore!

I highly doubt they will run in the same race but time will tell! I also think Farouk D'alene could end up in the AB although I know it has been said 2 n half is his ideal trip, I read that no horse has come back in trip to go on to win the Ballymore, although I am not sure how true that is so don't take my word for it.